How EMF Exposure & Dirty Electricity Affect Sleep, Stress & Longevity

BD Erickson II [00:00:00]:
We’ve got Amazon, Microsoft, we have Google, we have Apple. These are the biggest, most powerful companies in the world. They don’t want you connected, Nick. They need you connected, baby. They need you connected. Right.

Nick Urban [00:00:13]:
You’re listening to High Performance Longevity. The show exploring a better path to optimal health for those daring to live as an outlier in a world of averages. I’m your host, Nick Urban, bioharmonizer, performance coach, and lifelong student of both modern science and ancestral wisdom. Each week we decode the tools, tactics and timeless principles to help you optimize your mind, body and performance span. Things you won’t find on Google or in your AI tool of choice. From cutting edge biohacks to grounded lifestyle practices, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to look, feel and perform at your best across all of life’s domains. Hey, it’s your host Nick Urban here. Before we dive into the interview with B.D.

Nick Urban [00:01:07]:
erickson, I want to first take you behind the scenes. You see, after we recorded this interview, you’re about to hear his team generously offered to send me some equipment to test. Now, if you’ve tuned into very many of these shows, you’ll know that I sometimes talk about non native electromagnetic fields and specifically how. How many of them can be detrimental to human biology. Not just human biology, but all biology. Well, I personally have a meter that measures three of the four main types of EMFs. It’s a cornet ED88T. As you can see right here.

Nick Urban [00:01:39]:
Those of you tuning into the video version of this can see that I’m holding it up. And you can see that I have very high radio frequency levels right in front of my computer, my workstation, which makes sense, but historically there’s been one type of EMF that I haven’t been able to measure, and that’s been dirty electricity. You see, meters like the one I have here, don’t pick it up. It’s the elusive forgotten form of emf. So when I got the static shield EMI meter, I was surprised to see that my house has high levels of dirty electricity. Now, we do have solar panels here. That is one contributor, and there’s likely a bunch of others. The worst spot in my entire house just so happened to be the outlets in my bedroom.

Nick Urban [00:02:23]:
Not only are they the worst, but the levels I recorded there are between 10 to 20 times higher than what is considered the safe threshold. So luckily, I’ve been able to remedy that situation with static shields, field shield product. But if you haven’t tested your house for dirty electricity and other EMFs you can get meters for relatively inexpensively and you can make it a project to test your whole neighborhood. If your neighbors want some help, you can be the good neighbor, helping your neighbors understand their levels. Or you can all go in on a few meters together just so you can have better awareness. Because once you test and remedy, unless you’re introducing a bunch of new things, you’re probably going to have pretty stable EMF and EMI levels after that. So thank you to BD and his team for sending this over and without further ado, we will dive right into this week’s interview with BD Ericsson. I also have their power plugs.

Nick Urban [00:03:19]:
With a meter, I was able to measure a significant reduction in dirty electricity levels throughout the entire house from simply plugging in one of their filters. I think I’ll need about three or four for the entire house, but even just one makes a big difference. If you want to try FieldShield, get one of their meters or the dirty electricity filter. The code HPL15 should save you 15% on your order. Links to everything we discuss, including the products, the resources, a transcript and a whole lot more will be in the show. Notes for this episode, which you can [email protected] the number of this episode, which is which is 230 BD welcome to the podcast, Nick.

BD Erickson II [00:04:02]:
Glad to be here.

Nick Urban [00:04:03]:
Let’s start off with something that might shock most people, and that is that you discovered that your own son was being poisoned by invisible forces in your home. Tell us that story and how it led to the development of your mission.

BD Erickson II [00:04:19]:
You know, something that never entered my mind, something that you’re not really, you don’t really think about until it comes into your sphere. So my son and I were living in Honolulu, Hawaii, and my wife was killed in an auto accident by a drunk driver. It’s very hard for he and I. Some time later, he and I moved home to Missoula, Montana, where we belong, where we’re from, closer to my family and hers, for the help that I needed with little guy. So he and I are in our new home and we’re sitting on the deck. We’ve been there for a few days, still sleeping on ironbreads and eating out of boxes. And he and I have this little giggle in two part harmony as we look up and notice at the exact same time that we are under the biggest power lines in our whole valley. Now, when I say the biggest, like we talk in hyperbole as humans, you know, the plane was so close you could count the bolts well, that’s not really true.

BD Erickson II [00:05:14]:
It’s not like, no, Nick, these are the biggest power lines in the whole valley. And we giggle like, how, how could we mess it to hyper visual males, right? Our second kind of chuckle is that we’re not going to have to mow a lot of the property because where those lines go over directly underneath them, the grass is gone, it’s dead. It’s fringy on the sides, but doesn’t anything. So he and I noticed that visually, but that didn’t cause any alarm. I didn’t like them because they were ugly, to be honest. That was the first. That was the first thing, right? So we’re living there about a year, maybe a year and a half, and I get the call from school, like the dreaded call, like the gals at school, hey, you know, Mr. Erickson, we’d love to talk to you about Dalen.

BD Erickson II [00:06:03]:
Can you come in? Well, of course. So, you know, I go in to have the talk and they’re lovely, lovely ladies inside and out. And I mean that sincerely. They said, you know, dalen has not missed one day of school in two years. You’re to be commended. And Dalen has not gotten any grade other than an A ever. You’re to be commended. And I said, that’s.

BD Erickson II [00:06:25]:
That’s all him. That’s not me. I wash him, I feed him, I kiss his head. That’s all him. That’s how he navigates the world. And she said that he comes early and holds the door for the special needs kids and high five you. He shows up early and he does that of his own volition. I didn’t even know Nick.

BD Erickson II [00:06:44]:
I didn’t even know that. So it made me obviously feel very proud as a dad because he was doing that and didn’t share it. He said, but have you noticed? He’s off. He’s not as fun loving, he’s a little more irritable. The homework is not done with his usual care. His grades are about to slip. Is everything okay at home? And I say, well, we’ve suffered tremendous tragedy, but families do, you know, it’s terrible, but families do. You get your turn in the grinder in this world.

BD Erickson II [00:07:14]:
You really do. And so I said, we have been through a lot, but yes, I’ve noticed it too. So their plan, right, to get a counselor maybe and talk about maybe some medicine to calm this little edgy, busy, overactive mind. Now, I wasn’t super woo woo at this point, right? This is 18 years ago. I’m super woo woo. Now we’re all woo woo now. But I wasn’t woo woo then. But the last thing that I wanted to do even then was put my 8 year old on drugs.

BD Erickson II [00:07:51]:
Because it wasn’t him. It wasn’t the tragedy, it wasn’t him. Something was off and markedly so. So then you go down the rabbit hole of being your own doctor, of trying to find, you know, what’s, what’s bothering him. And it did not take long to find out that his symptoms matched up with something called ehs. Electro hypersensitivity syndrome. Boom. Irritable, edgy, can’t sleep, anxiety, just 1, 2, 3.

BD Erickson II [00:08:23]:
Overactive nerves and skin, kind of like almost fibromyalgia is symptoms. And sometimes I read a book by a guy named Sam Milhelm called Dirty Electricity. And I was like, this is it. And so I actually called Sam and he answered the phone on the first ring, man, he took my call, he became a friend. I talked to him. He said, yeah, man, it’s those power lines. I said, no, Sam, come on. He goes, no, it’s the power line.

BD Erickson II [00:08:51]:
So the first thing that my brother and I did was climb up in the attic and we rolled out what they call a NASA blanket. And it’s an aluminum foil blanket. And we rolled it out eve to eve, cable to cable, and grounded it. And when we grounded it, my son, the house went quiet. The house was calm for the first time in the year and a half that we had lived there. Now you have to realize your skin’s overly sensitive. You can’t relax, you’re anxious, you’re nervous, you don’t know why. You can’t express that clearly when you’re eight.

BD Erickson II [00:09:21]:
It was driving him nuts. Yeah, it was driving him crazy. All right. So the next thing we do is say, well, there’s other people on this street for miles in every direction. And if Dirty Electricity is this real thing, why aren’t people talking about it? Why is it pseudoscience? Why does every big corporate America say, no, it’s okay, don’t worry about it. If that’s clearly not the case and are there products on the market to help it? So one of the first products I looked at was a product called Staturizer. I’m a power systems engineer and I have applied science degree. When I looked at it, it seemed very rudimentary to me.

BD Erickson II [00:09:57]:
I opened it with a Dremel tool. I’m very naughty, I can’t help it. And I want to see what’s inside it. Effective, Reasonably effective, but very simple. I reached out to Dave Stetzer to maybe talk about the efficacy of the device, how and why, and some of the stuff that he’d written on dairy cows. Nick, remind me to mention this later because it really plays into the story. And, you know, I discussed maybe, maybe making something different with. With him.

BD Erickson II [00:10:26]:
He wasn’t interested. The next product I reached out to is Green Wave Gene, the owner. He and I are fast friends to this day. He wasn’t interested in a redesign. Gene just said, buy Green Wave BD and just make your own thing and we’ll conquer the world together. So anyway, kind of my dissatisfaction with the stuff that was on the market, the massive amounts of information that were inaccurate and the information being blocked and censored, and then having this really beautiful little boy that had checked so many of the boxes for the perfect little guy for me suffering all this dis ease changed the trajectory of my life instantly. And Simon Sinek’s one of my favorite authors, and he says, you know, it’s your why. And I say, you give any reasonably formidable man a powerful enough why, he’ll build the pyramids.

BD Erickson II [00:11:21]:
And so now, at this point in our life, it’s just me and him against the world, Right. It’s just me and him against the world. And he’s not well. So I’m going to do whatever I have to do to help him. And it began our company. And I didn’t do it to be a podcast guest. I didn’t do it to be an expert. I didn’t do it to make money.

BD Erickson II [00:11:40]:
I did it because I had. I had someone that I cared about suffering disease and knew there were others like him. And it was tough. It was a tough journey. I don’t need to prattle on. But I was Tinfoil Hat Guy. I was conspiracy dad. You know, they didn’t say nice things.

BD Erickson II [00:11:54]:
And people are so mean. You know, they go on the Internet. Yeah. And they just take your shots. They’re not, you know, graceful about your story. They just want to take shots because they don’t want to believe it to be true.

Nick Urban [00:12:04]:
Yeah, has definitely true. And especially when you can look out the window and you can see the grass is not growing here. There’ll be some troll on the Internet. Says right here it says, like double blind placebo, controlled study that says it doesn’t affect grass growth, but you can clearly see when it’s activated, the grass dies or it no longer grows there. When it’s deactivated, the grass grows. And so you don’t really need to see all that Research around certain things when it’s affecting animals, bees, cattle, other things. They’re not subject to the placebo effect because they don’t know what’s going on. They don’t know that they’re supposed to be affected or not affected by this electro smog and dirty electricity.

BD Erickson II [00:12:49]:
If you want to see the outcome of a study, then find the company or the party that wrote the check to do the study. You throw enough money at it, you’ll find whatever you want. And so let’s just be scientific. So the grass is dead under this power line. So you could say that a very heavy truck was underneath there to run those power lines and trample that grass down. Well that’s intelligent. That could happen. But it wouldn’t be this huge, perfectly smooth swath.

BD Erickson II [00:13:14]:
It would be tracks. Maybe it’s dumping gasoline, maybe it’s dumping some kind of toxin. Well, that’s a possibility too, but that would be more patchy, blotchy. Some got here, some didn’t get there. I mean, it’s beyond any intelligent debate. And I’ll say too that we kind of know things inherently. Like you just kind of inherently know. You don’t want the 5G tower in your bedroom, you don’t want the power lines over your house.

BD Erickson II [00:13:42]:
Mom said I’m old. My mom always said, don’t sit close to the tv, it’s not good for you. Well, she was right. And they didn’t know in the 80s how right she was. I think they just kind of instinctively knew, right. I think cows are a great example because I’m a country boy, live in western Montana, and when people see an electric fence, they, they take kind of a note that it’s only one string. It doesn’t have to be one low, one medium, one high. It’s just one about four feet off the ground.

BD Erickson II [00:14:11]:
And that’s all it takes. Now they go, why doesn’t the animal go under it? They assume that the cattle bump, the electric fence bites, they don’t like it, they’re smart and they learn. Nick, no friggin dairy cow has ever been hit by an electric fence since Nikolai Tesla invented alternating current. Never. Not once. They hate it. A dairy cow will not step in a puddle within 4ft of an electric fence. They can feel the stray voltage.

BD Erickson II [00:14:39]:
They don’t like it, it’s uncomfortable. So that electromagnetic field is about four feet. So the strand only has to be about four feet off the ground. And that four foot field puts out that magnetic field. It’s uncomfortable. So the lines going above our house, we’re not 120v like the average electric fence. They are 17,000 volt high voltage power lines or higher. So that field is even bigger.

BD Erickson II [00:15:08]:
And so I would postulate that if humans were a little quieter in our minds, then when we got close to that electric fence we could feel it just like a cow. It’s my, I’m going to assume here, and that’s naughty. I’m going to just guess that we’re so busy in our minds that we quiet that part of us that almost surely can feel it. And if it’s, if it’s so uncomfortable to a cow that he moves, doesn’t that almost suggest that him living inside that would be uncomfortable to the point of being detrimental to him? Certainly his mood, if nothing else. If it’s not bad for you at all, living in pain is bad for your mood, you know, so when people try to say there’s nothing to it, I don’t think you can intelligently argue nothing when the grass is dead and the cows won’t go near it. I mean, how do you intelligently argue nothing wrong with it? It doesn’t make any sense.

Nick Urban [00:16:03]:
Yeah, exactly. And you can run some pretty simple experiments in the house too. You can take some plants, let them live in a certain area for a while, then bring a WI fi router right next to it, track them for another two weeks, three weeks, month, and see what happens. And there will probably be something compared to the control plant which doesn’t have the WI fi router next to it. And between animals and plants it starts, the evidence starts to add up. But then also humans run on electricity, of course, chemicals as well. And it’s like very minute, like negative 50 to 100 millivolts of electricity. And so it’s, it’s hard to imagine that introducing massive super powerful sources of electricity that are measurable via modern meters wouldn’t impact like the electrical system in the human body.

BD Erickson II [00:16:52]:
How could you intelligently argue that it doesn’t? So you went down another great road. So if you, you have to be very careful about what’s saying, what’s saying that something is good or bad for human health because this wonderful organization called the fda, so they keep a real tight range on what you can say is good or bad, but you can say it about cows and you can say it about plants. So some really great studies were done in Canada where they have a lot of indoor greenhouses and grows because of their chilly climate. Well, you can see pictures of the plant growing to the water source Growing to the light. They are very alive, they’re very adaptive and moving away from the dirty electricity. We’ve all seen on Instagram, the four or five really cool studies that little kids did with their teacher about, or whatever about having a plant grow near WI fi versus removed from it. And it’s self evident. It’s self evident.

BD Erickson II [00:17:48]:
I say it’s beyond intelligent contestation. It’s self evident. So then the next question becomes, well, how bad? Well, how bad does it have to be, you know, for you to say, I don’t, I don’t want to live in that environment? So if we know that it’s uncomfortable to animals, if we know that it’s markedly detrimental to plant life, then just because you’re not overly sensitive to it, do you really want to live right in that? I don’t. And at that point, who cares what the big studies say? Who cares what, you know, who wants you connected to? And so this 5G, the Wi Fi, the connectivity, all of it. First of all, if you think that the people in charge love you so desperately, they love you so much that they bring you 5G so that you can download Shrek faster, I love you. You’re naive and you’ve been misled, Right? And we think about who wants us connected. We’ve got Amazon, Microsoft, we have Google, we have Apple. These are the biggest, most powerful companies in the world.

BD Erickson II [00:18:50]:
They don’t want you connected, Nick. They need you connected, baby. They need you connected. Right? And so guys like I, come on, they’re going to whack me any day. And I say, you know, being connected is convenient, but it poses a significant health risk. And when my son was diagnosed with EHS, it was like, I don’t know, the claims are 8%. And I don’t know how you fact check that because I can’t trust anything I, you know, none of us can trust anything on Google anymore, it feels like. But now those numbers are up to 12 and 15%.

BD Erickson II [00:19:20]:
And those are those numbers.

Nick Urban [00:19:21]:
When you say 8%, are you referring to 8% of the population has EHS?

BD Erickson II [00:19:26]:
Yeah, that 8% of the population often shows the symptoms related to or correlated with ehs. Overexposure to man made frequency wind waves in all their plethora of design.

Nick Urban [00:19:42]:
Right, interesting. Yeah. I’ve also seen data on the dovetailing of symptoms of certain illnesses around the world that have were out of control for a long time and the correlation with that with the rollout of like higher powered electromagnetic signals.

BD Erickson II [00:20:03]:
Oh, it’s a great book. The Invisible rainbow. Oh, it’s brilliant. If you don’t have one, I’ll send. I’ve got probably 50 copies here. And it really runs down a timeline through history and the pandemics or plandemics or whatever you want to call them, that happened oftentimes in the exact area and to the day of the rollout of new technologies in the electrified world. I mean, is it chance? Well, sure, it could be, but if it’s continually the same place, the same time, the same date, the same people, it’s a little on the nose, Nick. You know, it becomes a little hard to argue that there’s.

BD Erickson II [00:20:39]:
That they’re not some level of correlation.

Nick Urban [00:20:42]:
Yeah. And there’s not really, I mean, in this frequency, like, band, many health benefits of it. People aren’t installing these things to improve their health. So at least like taking the precautionary principle and saying, if it’s not going to add to my health and benefit my health, perhaps I should consider my exposure to this, even if it’s not as damaging as some of the research suggests, or perhaps it’s way more damaging. Either way, I might as well be cautious around this technology.

BD Erickson II [00:21:16]:
Absolutely. You know, it’s always harder when you can’t see it, touch that, smell it, taste it. Right. And so it’s kind of like radon gas. But, you know, it’s pretty well documented that you don’t want to have too much radon gas to your house. So guy comes and he mitigates it. You get a little fan and it takes it out. You can’t see it, touch it or smell it, but you don’t want it.

BD Erickson II [00:21:35]:
And I say EMFs are far more touchable than that. Play with two magnets, pick up two magnets. I don’t care if you’re 5 or 55. Magnets are fun. It is this invisible field. And when you put them together, pull the colt, pull the pole, they fantastically repel. And you can feel the edges of it and you feel the middle of it. You push them together and you turn one and they snap together.

BD Erickson II [00:22:00]:
You can’t see that, but again, it’s self evident they’re there. How do you move a train? Like as a little boy, trains were my favorite things. We grew up by the tracks. I would watch them load them, hear them clang, all of it. And the biggest train I ever recorded was 121cars. Two engines in the front and they were moving coal. Now they say that a coal car weighs 40 tons. Is that true? I have no idea.

BD Erickson II [00:22:26]:
Fact check. It if you want. I don’t care. That doesn’t matter for the story. They’re heavy, okay, Baby, they’re heavy. And it’s got 100 coal cars at 40 tons each or whatever that doing. Now how do you get that moving? How do you start that? Now, an object, once in motion, is easier to keep in motion. It wants to stay right? But how do you get it going? So if you’ve ever driven a stick shift, in order to get it going, you got to slip the clutch.

BD Erickson II [00:22:47]:
You would smoke a clutch trying to move a train. Well, how does it move? Well, you have an electric engine, an electric motor has a stator. It has got magnets and has a coil which is a copper winding. And you excite that copper winding at voltage, you hit it with electricity. And it creates what? It creates an electromagnetic field, a magnetic field caused by electricity. Electromagnetic field. And that field becomes so strong that it begins to spin that stator and nothing touches. What moves a train are parts that don’t even touch.

BD Erickson II [00:23:22]:
It’s a field. So suggesting these things aren’t real because you can’t see it, suggesting that they’re not powerful is. Is just naive at the very most fundamental of issues, right? And we also know that, that frequencies are good for us. Human frequency. The earth vibrates. Everything is energy and a vibration, right? So what say, don’t say. Well, it’s atoms. What’s not atoms? It’s.

BD Erickson II [00:23:44]:
It’s quarks and neutrinos. Well, what are they all? They’re waves. It’s infinite possibility of waves. And the speed of those waves, the frequency of those waves is what we call matter. Okay? So the earth vibrates, its Schumann. And why do you want that? Because it’s healing. So animals are barefoot. They’re outside, they’re on it.

BD Erickson II [00:24:04]:
People say ground. Ground. Ground. Yes, ground. For heaven’s sakes, listen to them. They’re right. Get out, get your feet bare, have that free exchange of electrons. And you also now are grounded at what? At Schumann frequency, right? And so those frequencies are not only real, everything has a frequency.

BD Erickson II [00:24:22]:
Some are good and some are unhealthy. I mean, 5G is a millimeter wave. There’s no difference between that and what’s in your microwave oven. It’s just a very small wave. That’s what it means. Millimeter wave. I mean, they’re very small waves. So why is that bad? Because they hit you so many times.

BD Erickson II [00:24:38]:
That’s why they cause cellular damage. They’re hitting you so many times in a moment. So frequency Is how frequently, how often something happens over a period of time. So an AM radio wave, that doesn’t hurt you? Not really. Well, why not? Because it’s a block long. From the tip of that rascal to the trough of, it’s a block long. So it’s just not hitting you that much. An FM radio wave is about 2 meters, about 6ft long.

BD Erickson II [00:25:03]:
It’s hitting you quite a bit more, but still not that often. These, these high frequency waves are hitting you millions of times in a second. So just being impacted that many times in a second begins to cause the cellular damage. And so if it can cook, if it could cook a hot dog, what’s the reason?

Nick Urban [00:25:24]:
Like, why would you have the more frequently occurring wave of every millimeter versus every block? I’d assume it’s because you can pack more information into the smaller size.

BD Erickson II [00:25:38]:
Nick, do you nail that? It’s delivering more data. If you can only deliver the data on the top side of the wave, then the faster you can get those top side the waves in, the faster you can share the data. You nailed it. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:25:49]:
And with all these things, it’s like, it’s very easy to be like, okay, well, I can’t see it. So it’s not true. It doesn’t exist. But then there’s a lot of things that are taken as truth because we have realized over long periods of time that they exist. But gravity is a classic example. You can’t see gravity. We all know it’s real. There might be a different explanation for it, but that phenomenon is definitely true.

Nick Urban [00:26:10]:
And it seems like this area of like the influence of these waves on life is true. And it’s only a matter of time, like figuring out what are the broad range of effects.

BD Erickson II [00:26:23]:
Yeah, no, it’s, it’s, you know, is it gravity? Is it density? It doesn’t matter. If you drop something, it falls right again. That’s something that we call self evident and beyond intelligent debate. Right. They say we’re moving on Earth. Are we moving? I don’t know. It doesn’t feel like we are. The point is that there’s a lot of information out there, right.

BD Erickson II [00:26:44]:
Or disinformation when things are. I don’t mean to keep circling around like a lunatic. Relatively self evident that if you just get the filters off, if you get the blinders off that you know are probably true for you and you can feel it kind of in your, your inner person. And right now we’re doing all the things. I love your show, man. What are we trying to do? We’re trying to get good water. We don’t want the fluoride, right? We’re trying to eat good food. We don’t want the glyphosate, right? We don’t want the seed oil.

BD Erickson II [00:27:08]:
I don’t. Yeah, I’m fit. I run, I work out. Why I want to be a healthy person. I don’t want to just be alive. I want to be able to do stuff with my nephew and. And do cool things. And we’re living at a fantastic time when platforms like Instagram and TikTok and.

BD Erickson II [00:27:28]:
And YouTube’s probably my favorite. There’s so much information and so much of it’s so different. I mean, when I was a little boy, I was taught, you know, obey your parents, love God. Teachers are. Believe them, trust them, obey them, police your friends, all these things. And I was a good little boy, right? And I find that so many things I was taught in fourth grade, they’re not just wrong, Nick. It’s the opposite, right? So I was taught that coconut oil. Oh, my gosh, gosh, it’s so bad for you.

BD Erickson II [00:27:59]:
It’s so fattening. Coconut oil, so cheap, you know, it’s awful for you. Now we know it’s a superfood, and I put it all over my skin, and it’s FPF 7. And I brush my teeth with it. Like, literally, I live in coconut oil, right? Same things about avocado oil. And aspartame was good, and fluoride helped your teeth. And all these things that I owned as being true for many years, I found out, well, they weren’t just wrong by 5 or 6 degrees, they were exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite.

BD Erickson II [00:28:31]:
So we’re living in this time right now where you better know that if they. And I mean they are telling you that 5G is not bad for you. You better know that the exact opposite is true. And they’re bringing more cell towers to your neighborhood right now. So it’s, you know, it’s a sad. It’s an inconvenient thing to know. That’s true. But that’s okay.

BD Erickson II [00:28:53]:
We’re learning lots of inconsent things that are true right now. This is when you just. You take your power back. You say, okay, I don’t want to be bombarded by this. The easiest way to fix it is lessen your exposure. You don’t have to buy BD stuff. That’s not the best way to do it. I tell people all the time, buying my filters is not the best way to do it.

BD Erickson II [00:29:11]:
Like, if you Got a problem smoking cigarettes? Okay. We know that cigarettes probably not the healthiest thing, but we’ve also learned it’s not because the tobacco that’s an actually bad. It’s all the crap that they put in it. Right. Do you want to put a filter on that cigarette or would you rather quit smoking? Well, I’m a normal, healthy person. I’m going to tell you if a filter helps. Groovy. But if you can quit, you should really quit.

BD Erickson II [00:29:34]:
Yeah. So while I love selling my filters, I love helping people. Really. In a perfect world, turn your WI fi off at night. You don’t need it on at night. Turn it off. Like in our family, I’ve got somebody that can’t live in that stuff. So we might turn it on or hardwire, turn on the WI fi to update, to download, to do whatever, to refresh, and then turn it off.

BD Erickson II [00:29:54]:
Like use it sensibly. You can handle a little bit. Like I was telling you, you and I are visiting. Do you want to live on fast food baked in seed oils? No. You’ll be unhealthy and fat and miserable. Right. But if you’re on a road trip and someone’s eating some fries and you have a couple of fries, I think you’re going to be okay. Right.

BD Erickson II [00:30:11]:
You can have a little bit. So turn your WI fi on, get your updates, get your stuff and then turn it off. Use it sensibly. Don’t sleep in it, don’t bathe in it. If you’ve got all these devices that are around you and they’re creating electromagnetic fields and man made frequencies that we’re going to prove at some point, Nick, you and I, that are damaging to the biological world, then use them intelligently and sparingly. And when not in use, turn it off and get it away from your body. People want to put, you know, their phone on their body. Don’t you remember our cow? Remember our cow? Four feet.

BD Erickson II [00:30:44]:
Four feet. Like, don’t have it on you. One of the best debates I heard many years ago when I first started down this journey, probably 17 years ago now, there was. It was before. It was before podcasts and several videos. It was an interview, it was auditory only. And there was a very woo woo lady. And I wasn’t woo woo yet.

BD Erickson II [00:31:05]:
And she’s saying that cell phones are damaging. You don’t want to keep it on your body and that it’s going to present itself at some time, that they’re bad. She was kind of a hippie lady. She was smart, but she was Woo Woo. On the other side, the other panelist was a young oncologist doctor. And we couldn’t see his face. We saw his profile pic. He’s handsome, she’s from Stanford, you know, he’s tall, he’s trim, he’s, he’s young, he’s all the things.

BD Erickson II [00:31:29]:
And boy, Nick, he just waxed her britches. There’s no evidence for that. There’s no research for that. The double blind study and this and that. And he smoked her, she got a couple of shots in. Oh, but he waxed her britches. Now, about a year and a half later, they got those two back on. And the interview started very differently where first of all, this, this young doctor, mid-30s, was very contrite and he really handled it beautifully.

BD Erickson II [00:31:58]:
He said, I want to start by apologizing for the way that I spoke to you. Wow. He said, even though I was very confident in what I was saying, you don’t speak down to people. And I took some shots and I said, I wanted you to know as I listened to it, as a more mature man, I’m ashamed the way I spoke to you. That’s number one, he said. Number two, you were right. He said, we are taking this is back in the iPhone four days, we were taking almost iPhone shaped tumors out of healthy young female breast tissue because they would put their phone or their ipod or whatever in their sports bra and so their little iPhone, back when they were little, would slip in there, in there right by all that, that tissue and mammary tissue and would give them cancer. And he says, I am now removing an iPhone shaped tumor daily and I’m.

Nick Urban [00:32:51]:
Going to be an iPhone shaped tumor because like a tumor is going to be pretty small. You mean like in the same place as an iPhone?

BD Erickson II [00:32:59]:
Yeah, yeah, right in the same place. And I have no idea what they look like. And you have to realize this is auditory only at the top, but right, right in the spot where they would put it. By golly, that’s where they were. They were magicizing. And it was so prevalent that it was daily for this guy. Wow. They don’t hear that.

Nick Urban [00:33:25]:
No.

BD Erickson II [00:33:25]:
I had to be on Woo Woo. I had to be on woowoo radio to hear that one, right?

Nick Urban [00:33:30]:
Yeah, but it was cool.

BD Erickson II [00:33:32]:
It was cool to see this young guy, you know, turn that corner and then. And speak and own it. Because it probably was not very popular for him to say that and on that truth either. That’s been hard. Nick, I won’t lie to you. Like, I love when you go Oh, I don’t care what people think. I do. I care what people think.

BD Erickson II [00:33:49]:
I want them to like me. I don’t want them to think that I’m a tinfoil hat nut job, right? I want people to like me. And when you, you say the things that I’ve been saying now for 15 years, when you’ve been on as many podcasts I can, you get called all the mean names. And I used to shrink from it and now I just, I stand right in it. I just stand right in the rain. I just stand right in the hill. I have a son who’s healthy now. I was a guy who didn’t have a healthy son, who has one now.

BD Erickson II [00:34:15]:
I’m a guy that has helped over a hundred thousand people lower their exposure to emf. And I get probably two or three calls every day. That sounds something like, thank you, thank you, thank you. And that has crafted for me a life that’s worth living. Money and that stuff and fame, they come and they go. We know they don’t always provide happiness, but when you can help people and you get a call, I’m getting cards in the mail from people that I haven’t heard from in three or four years thanking me and that, that gives a family a purpose driven life. And that’s what I get to experience now.

Nick Urban [00:34:49]:
I didn’t tell you this. Part of the reason that I started Outlier was to. Because I noticed a lot of the things that modern science says were contradicted 180 degrees sometimes just a couple months previously, it’s like, okay, coconut oil is a superfood. It was previously the worst thing you could put in your body. It was like poison almost. But obviously the properties of coconut oil didn’t change. It’s just our understanding of it changed. And same with a lot of the things that we now know are carcinogenic and dangerous.

Nick Urban [00:35:21]:
Forever chemicals, all types of things. At one point they were validated. Like a lot of therapies are validated before they’re taken off the market for being harmful. And it’s just assumed to be self evident that these things are obviously dangerous. But it’s like if you actually rewind the tapes, no one was talking about the, how they’re dangerous previously. And so in that journey I looked back and thought to myself, okay, some of these things, coconut oil has been used for a very long time. What were people saying about them in the early days? If you rewind back to the old medical systems of like traditional Chinese medicine, indigenous medicines, Ayurveda, they have Like a nuanced bio, individual personalized medicine. And they talk about the benefits and properties of each of these things.

Nick Urban [00:36:05]:
And it’s interesting to see like when new technologies come out, new devices, new methodologies, protocols, what’s the modern scientific lens that might fluctuate versus the way humans used to be and used to view these things for thousands of years. Of course, where relevant, they weren’t talking about AI and Chad GPT back then, but they had a lot of answers to things that we are still like flip flopping back and forth between.

BD Erickson II [00:36:33]:
Oh, you nailed it. So like I’m old. So I remember when butter was absolutely demonized, you had to get margarine. Well, all margarine is seed oil, right? So butter was the demon, seed oil was the savior, fats were the demons, and these processed seed oils were the savior. It’s exactly the opposite. The seed oil is the demon and the butter is the savior. And the fact that they say clogged our arteries and made us all fat, now they’re saying cholesterol is actually good. I mean, come on, cholesterol gave you heart disease.

BD Erickson II [00:37:06]:
Heart disease was the number one killer of human beings for the majority of my adult life and childhood was heart disease and it was cholesterol. Now they’re saying, well, actually, you know, you want your cholesterol a little higher and you need to eat fats. And we’ve, we’ve learned these processed seed oils and stuff and the nuts heats and pressures that they go through and the forever plastics, they put everything in plastic and all the harm, the hormone disruptors. And after a while you have to say, was it simply misinformation? Was it simply human error or was it diabolical? Right? So I won’t get too far down that because I want to keep living.

Nick Urban [00:37:45]:
But, well, either way, it makes the landscape confusing to the consumer. It’s like I don’t even know what to do if I, if I think coffee is a superfood today and tomorrow. It’s, it’s also like the worst thing I can put in my body. I don’t know what to do. And I’m like living in a state of fear potentially. That’s why I think that what you’re doing, like creating solutions that help us, like make things that could be unhealthy, healthy or at least healthier is helpful. And we’ve already talked a bit about radio frequencies from AM and FM and devices. We’ve talked a little bit about magnetic fields.

Nick Urban [00:38:21]:
What’s the difference between those and dirty electricity? What Even is dirty electricity.

BD Erickson II [00:38:27]:
Yeah, that’s. That is a great question. And so I’m going to start under electricity, but we’re going to, we’re going to have to get back. Remind me to get back to not just, you know, scaring everybody or telling everybody to move to Oregon and compost their hair and live in a hippie convent. Like, I don’t mean that there are ways to take, take it back. And dirty electricity is often overlooked, but it’s, it’s arguably the most damaging. Well, how can you say that? Why? Okay, so we’ve talked about all these frequencies, we’ve talked about all these waves, right? 4G, 5G, LTE, Dish Network, DirecTV, your printer, the neighbor’s printer, your phone, the FBI van. Like when you light up your phone, there are so many signals, it can’t count at all.

BD Erickson II [00:39:12]:
When I was a kid, cars had an antenna about 2ft long. You untwist it, you whip your brother across the butt with it stings. That was an antenna. Nowadays on a car, an antenna is like a shark fin, right? Because there’s all these waves. Okay, where do waves land? They land on antennas, period. Again, self evident, beyond any intelligent debate, they land in an antenna. Okay, what is the copper wiring in your home? Now, the antenna on the car, that was maybe 2ft of aluminum. So it’s flexible, some kind of alloy.

BD Erickson II [00:39:48]:
That’s not superconductive. Copper is. So you’re living in all this copper wiring. You’re living in a super antenna. I can plug in a meter that you can see right now, nobody else can. And that meter will, you know, read the interference on the lines. And a third of the time when you plug it in, you hear the radio, you hear the voice. Well, why? Well, because radio is a frequency.

BD Erickson II [00:40:15]:
It’s a signal that lands on the antenna. Okay? So now when we’re living in our home, a couple of things are happen. Number one, all of these signals are indeed hitting. And then sadly, living on our electrical system, that’s number one. Dirty electricity is often caused by that. Number two, we have pan out panel. The danger zone. Okay, I’m not a good singer, but we’ve got the danger zone of 4ft.

BD Erickson II [00:40:41]:
Our electric fence, our 120 volt electric fence, the wiring in our house. We love to put our bed against the wall and we love to put our head against the wall. Humans do not sleep with their feet against the wall and their head in the middle of the room. I don’t care what country you visit, the head goes by the wall. Now, what you’ve done is you’ve put your most sensitive and complex device, precious device, your brain, right inside the danger zone. And now we’re not going to move it. Moving it’s important because these waves are hitting us. And if I was punching you in the shoulder in the same place over and over and over, after a while you’d say, stop it.

BD Erickson II [00:41:18]:
It’s getting sore. But if I move it around, Nick, I move it all over. That’s a massage, buddy. That’s a massage. I’m charging you 100 bucks for that, right? It is different. It’s different when you’re moving, when there’s cellular damage.

Nick Urban [00:41:31]:
Yeah.

BD Erickson II [00:41:32]:
So when you’re at rest, I’m sitting or I’m lying. Well, where am I sitting or lying? By my electrical crap? Because, I mean, they’re going to put my head by the wall. Now it’s in the danger zone. It’s in the four feet of the electrical wire. It’s baking me all night. Sitting me all night. Or I’m going to sit at my desk or computer or stand at my desk or my computer. You and I both walk my treads right here while we engage.

BD Erickson II [00:41:57]:
And so I’ve got my mic, my keyboard, my phone, my computer, all this stuff. I’m now inside the danger zone. So sturdy electricity is very real. It’s partly caused by all the signals hitting it, and it permeates our house. And then we have a tendency to walk foolishly or lie foolishly or sit foolishly right inside the danger zone. Next. Dirty electricity has a lot of different definitions. I mean, I’ve got YouTube videos with a million views that I did not push.

BD Erickson II [00:42:25]:
They’re not good. They’re not entertaining. I did spend money. People just watch them because I try to break stuff down, at least in a way that the average person can grasp it. Dirty electricity is any aspect of the electricity that’s out of a range, a parameter, a standard that it’s supposed to be in. Well, voltage. Well, how much voltage is it? Well, if you look at an outlet, that outlet’s 120 volts. If it’s got the two little parallel blades, it’s 120 volts.

BD Erickson II [00:42:53]:
Can’t be 240. You’d stick it in there, you’d blow it up, right? It’s. It’s 120. Now, there’s two blades, right? You plug something in, there’s two blades. Now, oftentimes one’s big and one’s little. One’s bigger sometimes, right? So that bigger blade is the neutral. So the little blade is the power out of your wall into your device. The big blade is the power going out of your device and returning now to the electrical system.

BD Erickson II [00:43:19]:
Well, let’s pretend that really clean power comes in. It gets degraded by the use of that device and then that bad power goes out. So the second place that dirty electricity comes from, we make it so. When I was a little kid, when my mom would vacuum, it would put lines in the tv. When my mom was vacuum, it’d screw up Gilligan’s island, right? Because I was getting Gilligan’s island over the, over the signal. And clean power would come into my mom’s vacuum, be disrupted by the use of that device, and the dirty electricity would go back on the neutral or the common, which was shared. The common was shared by the tv. And now I’ve got a fuzzy line.

BD Erickson II [00:43:57]:
You can hear, you know, the speakers pop or tick when maybe the fridge comes on. I could hear, you know, can hear your sister’s blow dryer on your radio in the 90s. You could, man, don’t tell me you couldn’t. You could hear the blow dryer on the radio that was also dirty electricity. Electricity that’s been degraded by the use of our stuff. And so, you know, they’re going to send this power to your house. How many car washes and beauty schools does it have to go by before it gets to your house? And then we’ve got smart readers and they bucker it up and we’ve got solar inverters and they bucker it up. And then we have all the crap in our house and that buckers it up.

BD Erickson II [00:44:35]:
And so even if I tell people, you know, filtering is not the ultimate way to go. The best way to go is to unplug some of this stuff. You can’t unplug it all. And if you live in a neighborhood, if you live in an apartment, well, gosh, you can only take so much of your power back. Now you are kind of at the mercy of these other things. That’s when you want to do three things, right? You want to, you want to buy some filters. I think my filters are the best. The stuff that I looked at 20 years ago was old 20 years ago.

BD Erickson II [00:45:06]:
We just started our 18th year. June 3rd is our 17th anniversary. We’re in our 18th year. And the competitor products, sadly were old 18 years ago. Our products are in generation one. Our stuff is in generation three because constant, never ending improvement. I was a Tony Robbins guy for a long time. I spent 10 years with Tony Constant, never ending improvement.

BD Erickson II [00:45:26]:
As times change, we upgrade the products. And our stuff is made in this factory in Missoula, Montana. And you can see it on a meter like the sticker on the phone. I got my sticker on the phone. I got it. I want it to work. I’m not a hater. Does it work? I don’t know.

BD Erickson II [00:45:41]:
You know you can’t tell on a tri field meter. As I hold it up. You can’t tell it on a. Yeah. Meter, you can’t tell it on emi, you can’t tell. So I’m not saying they don’t. Those words didn’t hurt, leave my lips. You just can’t read it on a meter.

BD Erickson II [00:45:53]:
Everything that we make you can read on a meter. So if you’re going to go filters, I would suggest buy ours. Either plug in or wire in. And we’re going to give a discount code that Nick doesn’t even know about for our listeners for tuning in today to get you a special deal. You plug them in or wire them in and you’ve handled the dirty electricity issue. You’re not in the danger zone. You’ve handled that one. Number one.

BD Erickson II [00:46:18]:
Number two, we use a product called field shield and it’s the size of a poster. And you slide it behind your bed in between your headboard and the wall. And now your head is no longer, you know, you’re no longer the conductor because you’re water. You are a conductor. And then they chemtrail us, we believe in all that aluminum. And now I’m water and aluminum. I’m now a conductor. I’m an antenna.

BD Erickson II [00:46:40]:
They hit me at 5G. Don’t think they don’t, they fry it. So if you can get that off your electrical system, you reduced your overexposure drastically. And then where you’re going to sit or lie, where you’re going to be, where you’re going to be in the muck, use a piece of field Shield. It’s 2ft by 4ft. It goes right behind your headboard and it plugs into the ground. And you now are no longer the conductor. Electricity will always do two things.

BD Erickson II [00:47:06]:
We learned it in fifth grade. It will always follow the path of least resistance. It will always find its way to ground. So we’re going to do is, we’re going to present it with a path of least resistance and we’re going to give it a path to ground and it will no longer choose you. And you start with those two things. You’re going to sleep better the first night. Nick you’re going to sleep better the first night.

Nick Urban [00:47:26]:
Dirty electricity is one of those topics in the world of EMFs. It’s the least understood by consumers, at least, myself included. And so when I was doing research, just as you said, part of the reason I wanted to have you on is because I looked into all the products I could find on the market, including the really cheap ones on Amazon, including some of the other ones have been around for a very long time, and as you mentioned, they haven’t iterated at all, from what I can tell. And technology has changed. What are some of the things people will notice? Like what, what is the biological consequence of dirty electricity? Specifically? Because I know it. It differs for each type of emf. And I know magnetic fields from my research. Those can penetrate through surfaces, they can go through walls.

Nick Urban [00:48:12]:
And part of the reason you don’t want to sleep on the other side of a fridge or anything with a motor is that you’ll be exposed to higher bullets of magnetic fields. But I don’t know much about dirty electricity in terms of the biological effects it has.

BD Erickson II [00:48:27]:
Yeah, you touched on some good points. You’ve done some good research. And so how many reports have we heard where the little kid gets a tumor is not sleeping or whatever else? And on the other side of the wall is the kitchen, and the kitchen appliances, refrigerators and freezers and motors and stuff like that, and how, how they. How they suffer. One of the things that you’ll notice in your world almost immediately, that you notice now, but you don’t make a big note of it, is when your phone charges really slow, it gets really hot, and you pick up your phone, you’re like, huh? And the little base where the phone plugs in gets really hot. Now here’s, here’s why. You know, something’s happening. It doesn’t do it all the time.

BD Erickson II [00:49:10]:
Sometimes your phone charges pretty fast and pretty cool. And that little piece, you pull it out, it might be warm, it’s not hot. Other times, your phone is so roasty, and that little piece is so roasty, you go, that’s weird. You don’t have to be some kind of NASA engineer to go, that’s weird. That’s Abby Normal, right? And so that’s something that you notice that we’ve all noticed in our life, but not really known. Guess what? That’s dirty electricity. So when you have our filters, you’re going to notice things like your dvr, like, you know, everyone’s DVR to our little cable system there. It’s so toasty.

BD Erickson II [00:49:46]:
Or, you know, our Roku or our devices there, they have a tendency to get so toasty. That is total electrical waste. First of all, that’s throwing your money away. But that’s a sign of electricity not being efficient and being able to do what it’s designed to do and do its work, get in and get out. Why? Because it’s dirty. Right. For the human, you’ll sleep better. You’ll sleep better.

BD Erickson II [00:50:11]:
I mean, one of the ways that. So I’m. I’m not an expert at this like my son, is because he answered so many calls here every day and has for years. When I was a little boy, every morning when my mom would wake me up. And I think a lot of people can attest to this. When you first wake up, you’re coming out of a dream. And so the first four seconds of every waking day are you kind of realizing, oh, I’m not at the grocery store, I’m not at school. That was a dream.

BD Erickson II [00:50:39]:
I’m in the bed. It’s mom, it’s safe, I’m fine. Right?

Nick Urban [00:50:42]:
Yeah.

BD Erickson II [00:50:42]:
Most adult Americans living in the electrified world have not woken up in a dream like that in years. In years. Why not? Well, the smart meter on the side of your house is constantly sharing data with the mothership. You have your cell phone on, probably by your bed, your wi fi towers on. And just like the cow, these things are interacting with you negatively. Whether you want to admit that, realize it, or whether or not you can feel it, they are. And you’re not getting that good, deep, restful theta REM sleep, where your body actually defrags and does what it does. And I’ve seen similar podcasts.

BD Erickson II [00:51:23]:
It’s not about how much time you’re in the bed. It’s about quality sleep. The actual quality, rejuvenating sleep. You might only need four or five hours. Honestly, if you’re really out cold, you’re in that deep sleep and you’re getting that good sleep. But we all need eight hours. Why? Because none of us are sleeping, man. None of us are getting the rest.

BD Erickson II [00:51:40]:
They’re frying us all night. We’ve done tons of studies with homeowners associations, and everybody in the neighborhood wakes up at the exact same time, usually between 2 and 4am they all wake up at the same time. You want to know why? Here’s my theory on it. Because that’s when the utility company has the smart meter, do the data dump. That’s when they have the smart meter, do the big information dump and get all the data or they just don’t want us friggin sleeping. Well, once you filter all that off your electrical system, once you get your field shield behind your bed and you turn your stuff off, you turn your wife off, your phone’s not by you, it’s not charging by you. Please do not charge your phone by you when that’s not happening. You will have maybe almost an irritable night the first night because it’s so foreign.

BD Erickson II [00:52:34]:
And you will sleep and you’ll feel more rested in two or three hours in an EMF safe zone than you have maybe if you grew up in the city and this if you’re under 30 maybe than you ever have. And that’s something that you will notice the very first night. And we don’t have five of those testimonials, we have 500. Wow. So that’s something in the practical world. And the other part is panic. I know a lot of guys my age were fit, we run spartan races, we run triathlons, we orange theory or you know, 44 we’re doing or 45 we’re doing the things but we’re feeling anxious, having panic attacks. I occasionally have panic attacks.

BD Erickson II [00:53:11]:
I’ve never experienced that. I’m the iceman baby. I don’t, I have never suffered that before. And post all the COVID stuff, a lot of people in my personal life are suffering more unreal fear, anxiety, stress and panic. And we’ve never experienced it before. And it’s almost everybody I talk to. So when you can lessen the interaction with your beautiful mind and healthy body and healthy spirit, less interaction with the man made frequencies and waves that sadly are damaging, you will have a superior form of life. And when you’re doing the things, you’re doing your ivermectin, you know, you’re doing your black walnut and we’re all parasite cleansing, you’re and we’re heavy metal cleansing, you know and we’re looking at peptides and all this stuff, you have to have this piece, you have to have this piece.

BD Erickson II [00:54:07]:
You have to have panic free, healthy restful mind, body and spirit and good sleep. It’s the next, the next piece then.

Nick Urban [00:54:16]:
Yeah. And whether the 2 or 3am wake ups are happening for people because of liver glycogen depletion from meal timings or high stress levels or it’s say from the Chinese system of like I think that’s the time of the liver and indicates like liver processing issues or like the emotional correlates of that or if it’s from this itself either way, it’s not natural. Humans shouldn’t be waking up at that time. And I personally noticed a long time ago when I first started tracking my sleep, before I even knew what it was, that having a router, like I think it was about 8ft from my head at night, was actually impairing my sleep and recovery. And I didn’t know at the time that that was doing anything. But one night when the power went out and that wasn’t on, my recovery shot through the roof and I was like, well, I don’t know what could be. And then a couple more times I replicated that where I could just see that when it’s off. My recovery, my hrv, my resting heart rate, they’re all improved.

Nick Urban [00:55:16]:
And so that was what like solidified my understanding that this stuff can affect me and seems to affect me reliably.

BD Erickson II [00:55:24]:
More self, more cool things becoming self.

Nick Urban [00:55:28]:
Evident when people want to implement this. I’ve heard like mixed ideas of like, what’s necessary. It seems that dirty electricity is ubiquitous. It’s like very hard to find anywhere that isn’t affected by it. Some people say you have to install it on like your central panel where electricity comes into the house. Some people say that you just have enough filters networks. Some people also say that high quality lighting, I think it’s incandescent, maybe halogen. Those can help like filter to a smaller degree.

Nick Urban [00:56:00]:
What’s like the easy way to implement. Of course having filters is going to be helpful, but like how? What’s the practical way of putting this into a house?

BD Erickson II [00:56:08]:
Yeah, that’s a great, that’s a great, that’s a great question. And I’m not going to answer it as a sales guy. I’m going to answer it as a dad. You can answer just as a regular joke. First of all, we don’t want to buy things that we don’t need. And I will not have my destiny tarnished by suggesting that people add to my wealth by buying crap they don’t need. The first thing we want to do, you guys, is turn stuff off, live as healthy and clean as we can, don’t charge your devices by you, et cetera. Sadly, there are some of it we can’t get around.

BD Erickson II [00:56:42]:
If you’re living in a city, if you’re living, you know, in an urban area or an apartment now, now, darn it, we got to do something. So we want to do as little as possible. We want to spend as little money as possible. Let’s, let’s just be honest, right? We want to do it as well as we can. So the most important thing is that we have clean, healthy living and then we don’t want to buy crap that we don’t need. We don’t overspend. Okay. So I’m going to give an intelligent argument for plug in units and I’ll give the diligent argument for wire and units.

BD Erickson II [00:57:08]:
And then the individual person has to just kind of see where they fit. Okay. The wiring units are a little more expensive and they have a bummer factor of having an electrician or a technical person put them in. Doesn’t have to be a licensed electrician in all jurisdictions, but it has to be someone, you know, technically capable of wiring it at the panel correctly. Right. Okay. So those are, you know, between 1200 and $2000 they wire at your electric panel. But we know that we’ve done a couple of things.

BD Erickson II [00:57:39]:
We know that a, all the power coming in from the utility, from the neighbor, from the meter, we’ve done it, we’ve cleaned it because we’re hitting it as it leaves the meter and comes into our house, we’ve done it. Now we know that any electricity, dirty electricity, we’re making it. So the filter is still going to do two things to help. He’s going to, number one, he’s going to filter everything coming in for sure and he’s going to help with the stuff that you’ve got going. So now if you can limit the stuff that you’ve got going, we know we’ve blocked everything coming in. Now if we limit what’s, what’s creating it in our house, we can have a real safe zone. Well, what’s the biggest culprits? Well, there’s like four. Okay.

BD Erickson II [00:58:16]:
So number one is high voltage power lines. Well, most of us don’t live under those. That’s pretty easy to check that one off the box. Okay. Number two, smart meter.

Nick Urban [00:58:24]:
Don’t live underneath those. How far away is considered safe? I had a friend ask me if I think it was like 400ft away from the power lines is safe.

BD Erickson II [00:58:33]:
Yeah, A block, you know, a football field. I think 300ft, 400ft. I think your friend is very close. Yeah, the smart meter is. Number two, if you have a smart meter, you do need one of our wire end filters. Sorry to do that to you. You need a wire end filter. Number three, solar inverters.

BD Erickson II [00:58:56]:
Solar panels are awesome. I’m not a hater at all. But solar inverters make very dirty electricity. And so if you have solar panels, I love you. You need to jump on the website after this, after this call. And you need to buy a wiring unit. We’re going to give you a deal, but you really do need it. And I’m not saying that to sell you stuff.

BD Erickson II [00:59:15]:
I’m saying it because you’re getting fried. Okay, number four lighting, CFL, compact fluorescent lamp or tube lighting. LEDs, light emitting diode. They’re awful for dirty electricity. Okay, so now get BD’s filter. Sure. But you want to change the lighting, you silly goose. You want to change the lighting.

BD Erickson II [00:59:38]:
We want to go back to Thomas Edison. We want to go back to the incandescent bulb. Just the old school bulb that gets hot. That’s the guy you want. He actually cleans the electricity. And if you can’t find them, we do make LEDs at static, static bolts. They have no EMF. They actually lower the levels in your house.

BD Erickson II [00:59:57]:
You can jump online, buy our lights too. They don’t get hot, they last for years. I really want to start. You know, we’re a manufacturer, we make stuff right in this building in Missoula, Montana. The next thing that I probably will make, if I can is a new line of just old school, old school resistor lights. That’s incandescent. The best thing you can do. Okay.

BD Erickson II [01:00:20]:
Yeah. So after that, the next culprits are the DC devices in our world. What’s that mean? Well, we live in a world of alternating current. But anything with a battery, your phone, your laptop, tablet, your computer, anything with the battery is dc. So those will affect the waves. So maybe you live in an apartment or you’ve got a room where you really want it clean. That’s where you’d use a plug in filter. The nice thing about the plug in filters too, let’s say we don’t want to go wiring, we’re going to go plug in the some areas where they do win.

BD Erickson II [01:00:54]:
Number one, there’s no installation, you just plug them in. Number two, you plug them in where you want them. You plug them in where you want the safety zones where you want the cleanest power and probably the bedroom system. Yeah, you want one where the kids play, you want one in the kids room, you want one in your bedroom, you want one where you’re going to be in the living areas. And so a four pack of those and then other, other Companies sell you 20 and 30 of them. They’re cheaper, but you need 20 or 30 of them. Ours are more expensive, but you only need two or four. So the cost to actually get the result is the same.

BD Erickson II [01:01:31]:
And in filters, more is not always better. More can become worse. You want to do it on as few as you can. And I don’t say that for money. It’s true you want to buy as few of anything as you have to buy, but you don’t want to overdo it because now you’re, you’re exacerbating problems many times. And that’s something that we teach all the time. So the competitors products have one filter in them. So you got to buy lots of them.

BD Erickson II [01:01:56]:
Our product, and I’m, you’re, you’re going to be able to see it has tons of filters in it. We put, we put eight in each one. In fact, six of the big guys that come in, the competitors, there’s six in each one of ours now they are, they’re three times as expensive. They are, but there’s, there’s, there’s six times the filters. That’s why they’re more expensive. We’re not doing it to gouge you. We’re doing it so that you can do this as cost effectively. So it seems like our stuff is more expensive since it is per piece.

BD Erickson II [01:02:23]:
But since you only need about 16 of them, they’re about the same. And they’re not made in China, they’re made in Missoula, Montana. And finally, you can see it on a meter. We don’t sell anything that you can’t see on a meter. When you plug in, you know, brand X light and put it on a meter and then put in a static light, put on a meter, you can see the difference. When you plug in a filter, you’re going to see the difference. When you put up your field shield, if you’ve got a tri field meter, it’s not going to reduce it. It’s going to go to zero.

BD Erickson II [01:02:58]:
It’s not going to reduce it, it’s going to go to zero. It’s going to eliminate it. So it can be kind of expensive. You know, you might be 1500 bucks, but you’re done. You’re done. Your whole house is done. It’s clean. Take it with you when you go.

BD Erickson II [01:03:15]:
It comes with the federal tax credit. Just like solar, our products qualify form 5695. So 30% of whatever you spend, you get a tax credit.

Nick Urban [01:03:26]:
Nice.

BD Erickson II [01:03:26]:
So if you spend a thousand bucks, you get a $300 tax credit, you’re down to 700. It’s just like a little nest egg waiting for you. When you do taxes, right, you get that off, it’s a credit and they save Money on your bill. So the fact that your phone is not wasting your watts getting hot, and your DVR and your TV are wasting your watts getting hot, your bill goes down a little bit. Well, if. Even if it only went down 10 bucks a month, even if it barely moved, you’re getting your money back in a couple years. All my stuff is free. It’s all free now.

BD Erickson II [01:03:59]:
It’s on a lag. You got to be. It’s. It’s not immediate gratification, but you’re sleeping better the first night. And over the next couple years of your existence, your stuff is run better, you’re sleeping better, you’re healthier, and you got your dough back, man.

Nick Urban [01:04:12]:
Well, I was also thinking, like, iPhones are notorious for losing their ability to hold charge after a little while. And I’d imagine that heating up like that from charging and the dirty electricity wouldn’t be good for the devices either.

BD Erickson II [01:04:26]:
Man, you nailed something that I forget to mention. Dirty electricity is hard on all your stuff, especially the stuff that doesn’t want dirty electricity. Like a phone. It’s dc. It can’t do anything with it. It just turns it into heat. And now people get these big, beautiful Teslas and they get these electric cars, and they’re charging these cars at dirty electricity. Are you nuts? Are you out of your mind? The first thing that you should do when you get to your Tesla or your electrical car is buy our wire end product and put it right on the same wall as your charger and don’t charge that beautiful car, that beautiful battery with muddy water.

Nick Urban [01:04:59]:
Yeah, I guess that’s like the correlate to, like, watering down your gasoline for your car, but for electric vehicles instead.

BD Erickson II [01:05:07]:
Absolutely. So, like, you nailed it. I didn’t have to tell your intelligent mind went down the track of, okay, you know, my fan, my phone does get hot sometimes. Everyone’s like, yeah, is that good for. How could it be? Like, what are you going to argue that that’s somehow good for. It’s terribly bad for it, and you can only do it so many times before it degrades the chemistry and the life of your battery, period. I mean, how would you give an intelligent debate against it? You couldn’t, right?

Nick Urban [01:05:32]:
So I was actually thinking about this myself. I’m thinking, like, if I want to outfit this with filters, I think what I’m hearing you say is that I don’t need to get 20. If I get the right high quality filters, which yours are, and then I could just choose particular places in the house, say my workstation right here, then my bedroom across the house and a couple other places. And just with four or so of those devices or your devices, then that’s actually going to clean the electricity throughout the house or is it only going to be in the things plugged into those outlets?

BD Erickson II [01:06:03]:
You nail that. You’re going to put it where you, where you know you want the lowest numbers. But it’s going to affect the whole house. It’s going to affect the whole house. It will lower them in all the house, but super low, closest to where they are because you know, distance does have an effect. You’re going to have your super low rooms where you’re spending all your time, but all the rooms are going to be significantly lower as a result. Just like when my mom plugged in her vacuum, she didn’t plug it in behind the tv, she plugged it in where she had cord room. Right.

BD Erickson II [01:06:31]:
You can move the vacuum around but it still did the TV over there. So the filters work the same way. You can get yourself a four pack, 700 bucks maybe, something like that. And then get a 30% tax credit, $200, your 500 bucks. It sounds like a lot of money. The money we spend on vitamins and healthy food and nutritional things. I think most of us do that in a month for our health.

Nick Urban [01:06:55]:
Yeah.

BD Erickson II [01:06:55]:
And this is one and done.

Nick Urban [01:06:56]:
Yeah. And how long do these filters last? Also?

BD Erickson II [01:06:59]:
We don’t know. So our warranty used to be 10 years. Like I’m very careful. Like I’m born, I’m born in a small town, from a small town. And so I don’t want to say something that later, you know, five years later makes you look like a ding dong. So we first started making them, we had a 10 year warranty and we hope to God they’d last 10 years. Well, here we are 15 years later with 100,000 installed and they’re all still working. So we’ve just upped the warranty to 25 years.

BD Erickson II [01:07:26]:
So our products have 25 year warranties on it. Yeah. And we know they last 18 because we’ve been making them for 18. I ain’t going to go. It’s got a 25 year warranty. They’ve only been making for three years. How do you know you ding dong? Be fair. Yeah, we know they last 18 years.

BD Erickson II [01:07:42]:
So our warranty in them for 25.

Nick Urban [01:07:44]:
I bought a hot water kettle a couple years ago. I think it was like two years ago and it wasn’t very expensive. But then again it just like randomly died. And now I’M wondering if there could have been a dirty electricity component to its premature death. So it’s nice also to hear that you’re building something that actually, in a world of planned obsolescence and, like, cheap things that break down very quickly, that these actually last.

BD Erickson II [01:08:06]:
Yeah. And they really should help everything else. So they’re also surge protectors. Right. The wiring is a very robust surge protector, and they are an EMP shield. So there are some other things on our mind that these inductors, by their sheer existence, can help protect home and family from other disasters as well.

Nick Urban [01:08:25]:
They’re an EMP shield.

BD Erickson II [01:08:27]:
They are. Wow. So I love some of the MP products on the market because they get a little loose with their claims. I just said on the microphone, I don’t want to get loose with my claims. EMP shields have, like, a radius, like if you watch Ocean’s Eleven or whatever, where they created that pinch.

Nick Urban [01:08:46]:
I think some listeners aren’t going to know what EMPs are. What are EMPs?

BD Erickson II [01:08:52]:
It’s an electromagnetic pulse.

Nick Urban [01:08:55]:
And what happens as a result of electricity?

BD Erickson II [01:08:59]:
It kills electric, it kills electronics, it sends energy over the air. And where do waves land? They land on antennas. Right. So things with electrical circuits and stuff, we’ll see a surge of electricity, and that surge of electricity will almost surely, if you’re close enough to it, damage those things. Now, I hope that we never experience one of those things. I hope that nobody ever needs to use it for that. But there’s. There’s a fear of it, a rising fear that that could be a reality.

BD Erickson II [01:09:32]:
But I hope it’s not.

Nick Urban [01:09:33]:
Yeah. And they’re often used as weapons, or at least in theory, it would be used as a weapon. So it’s nice to hear that this could help mitigate that. I have a cornet meter back here that I use to detect magnetic fields, radio frequencies, and ELF would. Is ELF and dirty electricity. Same thing. I think. They’re not.

BD Erickson II [01:09:52]:
They’re not. That just means low, right?

Nick Urban [01:09:56]:
Yeah.

BD Erickson II [01:09:57]:
Low elf, low fields. And so some filters are high pass filters. Some filters are low pass. What’s that mean? A high pass filter lets some of the higher frequencies pass. A low pass filter lets some of the lower frequencies pass. It’s pretty easy to defeat the electric field. It’s pretty hard to defeat the magnetic field. Right.

BD Erickson II [01:10:21]:
Yeah, magnetic field. The best antidote to a magnetic field is A, don’t create it, and B, don’t be too close to it. Right.

Nick Urban [01:10:32]:
Yeah.

BD Erickson II [01:10:32]:
I always go back to you buy stuff, but really the best way is just to not to do it. And so the less the magnetic field that you can create and the farther that you can be from it, the better. But they dissipate really fast, so unless it’s really strong after you get a couple feet away, you don’t have to worry about that anymore. And I’m going to send you a piece of this just for fun Sees, because you have a cornet meter, and I can’t wait for you to test this on your meter. Oh, you’re going to have so much fun.

Nick Urban [01:10:58]:
Yeah, I love those types of things. And I’ll definitely share the results in the show notes for this episode.

BD Erickson II [01:11:03]:
Oh, please do. Yeah, let me send you some toys, and then you just test them and I’ll leave you alone. I’ll give you the space to conduct your own little research and then share what you found. I think they’d love to hear it.

Nick Urban [01:11:13]:
Yeah, definitely. I’ll report back. It’s one of those things like EMFs in general that, like, there can be a lot of fear. And people are like, they see that I have a meter, and they’re like, oh, you must be, like, super paranoid about that. And I’m like, well, actually, since I got a meter now, I’m informed I have data and I can see, you know what, the distance. Doubling the distance drops the exposure by an orders of magnitude. And so actually, I feel less paranoid, more secure, since I can actually see what these things are doing. Granted, I can’t see dirty electricity because my meter doesn’t measure it.

Nick Urban [01:11:45]:
And I think you need a certain, like, a special meter to measure dirty electricity specifically.

BD Erickson II [01:11:50]:
You do. And it’s, It’s. It’s almost always going to be a corded meter with a plug in. Because if you want to measure the dirty electricity, you have to touch the dirty electricity. So that’s going to be a corded meter. And there’s several good ones out there. I mean, Stetzer doesn’t make a good one. Greenwave makes one.

BD Erickson II [01:12:06]:
Alpha Labs makes one. I think we make the best. And I don’t say that to be a cocky brat. I hate that personality type. I don’t ever want to be a cocky brat. It’s just that theirs were old 20 years ago. Doesn’t mean they don’t function. Doesn’t mean they don’t work.

BD Erickson II [01:12:20]:
I’m not saying that. I’m simply saying that a lot has changed in that time. And ours gives several ratings. Voltage, harmonics, interference, et cetera. So we just get a little bit more data. And then ours also has another data Point that if you use a filter, any brand, anybody’s filter, it’ll tell you that particular filter’s efficacy at those frequencies. And our meter is weighted. People say, well, it shouldn’t be weighted.

BD Erickson II [01:12:55]:
It should just be broadband. No, I argue that’s lunacy. Here’s why it should be weighted. Weighted means skewed, right? And it is skewed. Why? Because what our meter is looking for is not just every field, every wave that’s on the electrical system, as discussed. We don’t need to know how much AM radio is on there. It’s not super damaging. We’re not losing sleep over it.

BD Erickson II [01:13:20]:
Our meter is showing you the frequencies that are damaging to you, the fields, and the frequencies that are damaging to the biological world. And by biological world, I mean you and your kids. That’s what we want to see. You buy an oscilloscope if you want to be, you know, some kind of electrical engineer and see all the stuff that’s on there. That’s not most of us. Most of us want good health. We want healthy kids. You want happy lives.

BD Erickson II [01:13:45]:
And so our meter is weighted to show you two things. Number one, how much of the frequency is on your line are damaging and bad for you. And then number two, how well your filter, whatever brand you use, is good at attenuating those particular damaging frequencies. That’s why it’s the best.

Nick Urban [01:14:05]:
Interesting.

BD Erickson II [01:14:05]:
Yeah.

Nick Urban [01:14:06]:
That’s important to note because, like, if you’re getting an extra high bolus of, say, this Schumann resonance frequency through your cable, your line, you’re not going to care. That might even be beneficial. But if you’re getting a lot of the stuff we’re probably getting, then that’s what you actually care about. And you don’t want to conflate the two.

BD Erickson II [01:14:24]:
That’s exactly correct. Because we’ve established that we know these waves are real, and we’ve established that some are good and some are bad. And so we are really identifying here the ones that are bad.

Nick Urban [01:14:37]:
All right, bd, we will start to wind this one down. I’m sure people tuning into the video version of this on YouTube will be curious that you are talking about EMFs and you are wearing AirPods why are you not concerned about AirPods when it comes to your electromagnetic field exposure?

BD Erickson II [01:14:53]:
So I’ve worn EarPods exactly two times in the last five years, because when my friend Nick invited me on his podcast, the first thing it said in the questionnaire was, do you have headphones? I don’t. I actually have a pair of Beats that I Use noise canceling ones on the airplane. I’ve used those sometimes, but I don’t choose to listen to my music this way. So when I got here, I raced around the factory this morning asking all my employees if anybody had AirPods, and they did. And so I’m doing what I say all the time. You don’t have to zig all the time. Sometimes you can zag. You wouldn’t live on fast food, but if you have a fry on a road trip, you’re okay.

BD Erickson II [01:15:34]:
I think I’m going to be okay for one hour talking to my friend to wear these, but when we’re done, they’re coming off, baby.

Nick Urban [01:15:40]:
Okay. Yeah, absolutely. And what I was trying to lead you towards saying, and it makes sense, is that with Bluetooth, it’s a lower energy protocol, from what I can tell. And so it’s not going to be as damaging as holding a cell phone up to your ear for an hour, hour and a half, two hours, because it’s a lower energy protocol. And you wouldn’t want to put your head next to a microwave, per se, or you wouldn’t want to put a phone up to your head. So, like, not all EMF sources are the same. You want to understand, like, the power level that it’s emitting. Is that right?

BD Erickson II [01:16:15]:
Power level? Yes, the power level. Okay, so let’s go down that road. You’re gonna. We’re gonna end the show, but now we’re gonna kick it into another gear here. So when, when I’m holding my phone and it’s not plugged in, the amount of signal that it can send is limited to the amount of energy in the battery. It can’t send more power than it possesses. You cannot give that which you do not possess. So the limit to how much energy it can send is based on the energy in the battery.

BD Erickson II [01:16:44]:
Now, the minute I plug this dumb thing in, I just magnified its potential energy times, a million times, I don’t know, 10 million. I mean, what’s the magnitude of the grid and its availability? So you don’t want to engage your devices when they’re plugged in. Next, the little earbuds. These guys have tiny little batteries, teeny, teeny little batteries. And so how much energy they can give me is very small. And the amount of energy the Bluetooth requires is actually a very low amount. So while it’s not, you know, perfect, perfect world, it is, you know, all related to energy in, energy out. That’s why dirty electricity is a big part of the conversation that can’t get left out because you’re literally wired to the grid and so its amount of energy, its availability to deliver this nasty stuff is huge.

BD Erickson II [01:17:41]:
Right? It’s huge. Do not keep the phone by your face, do not keep it on your person and don’t hold it up to your ear, put it on speaker mode, keep it off your body and then we are not messing with your phone. Don’t be holding it, put it down, get away from the dumb thing, don’t keep it in your pocket.

Nick Urban [01:17:57]:
Yeah. Well that’s a good summary of some of the action steps to take and why it’s important to address dirty electricity specifically. And if you have to use technology and you can choose a lower power level output, whether it’s headphones, I guess wired headphones maybe better, and then Bluetooth a little worse than that. And then holding the phone up to your ear is going to be the worst. So just like focus on what you can control and progressively improve. Reduce your exposure as budget permits and hopefully that will take us all in the right direction. BD if people want to connect with you and they want to grab some of these systems, these American made systems, how do they go about that?

BD Erickson II [01:18:46]:
So our website is Static Shield. So static is a goofy name. I never planned on being successful. S A I T Some people call it static. It’s not, it’s satic. S A T I C Sinusoidal Waveform Technology Incorporated is the goofy acronym. We came up when I was just trying to help my kid and shield s h I e l d regular spelling staticshield.com and for the listeners of the podcast, Nick did not ask for this. This was not his.

BD Erickson II [01:19:15]:
He did not ask me to sell anything. He really just wants good device. We have a discount code HPL15 and anybody when it says coupon code before you cash out, before you check out, please put in HPL 15 and you’ll get extra things. Number one, you’ll get a 15% discount on the entire cart at checkout. Number two, you’re going to get free shipping. And number three, you’re going to get an absolutely free 30 minute consultation with the team to know that you’re happy with what you bought and satisfaction’s guaranteed. And we don’t do Wimpy 3 Day or Wimpy 30 Day. No, we don’t care, man.

BD Erickson II [01:19:53]:
If you’re not feeling better, then it’s not working. If it’s not working for you, we don’t want you to have it. So we do 30 days after you’ve actually done some tests with it. It’s going to take you a day or two to get it shipped, a day or two to open it, day or two to plug it in. You’ve only lost a week. And so we don’t, we don’t play that nonsensical game. Get this stuff, take your time, get it plugged in, talk to our team, talk to experts, you know, tell us what you’re suffering, how you’re feeling and let’s get you sorted. And after all that, if you’re not satisfied, you will send it back and we will 100% guarantee satisfaction and the return of all your money.

BD Erickson II [01:20:30]:
Buy safe. We want you to win and we’re here so that you can.

Nick Urban [01:20:33]:
Awesome. Well, bd, thank you for your genesis into this area of your pain to purpose story. Wish that it didn’t come to be this way and that it you just naturally found it and it didn’t strike so close to home. But I’m glad that you have this out there now. The education and the products to help empower people to take control of their health because it’s an area that’s education is slowly trickling out around and it’s hard to persist when you’re being called names day in, day out because people don’t yet understand but eventually they will and the look back on your work and they will appreciate it. So thank you for joining me on the show, sharing this and creating your products.

BD Erickson II [01:21:16]:
Thank you for having me. Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re helping us all. Go get them there.

Nick Urban [01:21:19]:
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BD Erickson II [01:22:00]:
Sam.