How PEMF Therapy Boosts Sleep, Energy & Performance

Mark Fox [00:00:00]:
The cells in your body have a voltage on it’s electrical charge, like a car battery. When it gets low, you get sick.

Nick Urban [00:00:06]:
You’re listening to High Performance Longevity. The show exploring a better path to optimal health for those daring to live as an outlier in a world of averages. I’m your host, Nick Urban, bioharmonizer, performance coach, and lifelong student of both modern science and ancestral wisdom. Each week we decode the tools, tactics and timeless principles to help you optimize your mind, body and performance span. Things you won’t find on Google or in your AI tool of choice. From cutting edge biohacks to grounded lifestyle practices, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to look, feel and perform at your best across all of life’s domains. Mark, welcome to the podcast.

Mark Fox [00:00:57]:
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Nick Urban [00:00:59]:
I’m looking forward to discussing PMF therapy with you today. I’m sure a lot of them have heard of pmf, maybe they even have a device. But let’s assume that a large portion also will be like people on the streets. And I’ve never heard of it. So what is pmf?

Mark Fox [00:01:11]:
Okay, so it’s called Pulse Electromagnetic Fields. It sounds real fancy. It’s actually Earth’s heartbeat. You’re surrounded it right now. But to simplify it, you got to go to a higher level for a minute and just say talk about energy exchange. So nothing in the world happens without energy exchange. You don’t drive your car, you don’t chew food, you don’t breathe oxygen, you don’t fall down, you don’t bang your head. Right.

Mark Fox [00:01:34]:
Everything is an energy exchange. So you can transfer energy to your body with pemf. Magnetic fields, electrical current, like a TENS unit that people are familiar with. Light, sound or vibration, chanting, humming, all of those infrared, night. So those are the five main ways to transfer energy to the body. Pemf. I chose that mode intentionally because it’s the most simple and convenient to use. And you don’t have any wires.

Mark Fox [00:02:03]:
It’s not. You can put it in your pocket, people don’t even see it. If you don’t want to, you can wear a lander around your neck. It’s super simple to go use. So that’s what it is. It’s an energy transfer to the body. There’s a hundred million different theories and rat holes and things you can go down. But the two things that we do know, the industry knows, is that the cells in your body have a voltage on, you know, at the membrane.

Mark Fox [00:02:25]:
It’s electrical charge, like a car Battery when it gets low, you get sick. This reach out recharges your cell’s batteries. That’s been proven over and over. And then ATP, which is the main chemical that your cells use for food, adenosine triphosphate, it increases that up to 500% so that your cells have more food. So it does those two things. Recharge cells batteries, gives your body more fuel for your cells, so your body can do what it does best, which is heal itself. That’s it. At the highest level is energy exchange.

Mark Fox [00:02:59]:
PMF is just one method of doing that.

Nick Urban [00:03:02]:
If you had the instrumentation, would you be able to measure the change in the membrane voltage if you could?

Mark Fox [00:03:09]:
There’s all kinds of, and I’m not an expert in that field. It’s not easy. Not going to just go put a wand up to you and measure it. But there are tests that they’ve done, as I said, and they’re quite complex and complicated, expensive, those type of things. There’s. I don’t want to get dark and go down all the rabbit holes that you can. But for example, mitochondria does actually happen. I’m sitting there talking to a vendor at a conference and talking about mitochondria tests that we can measure the energy level at mitochondria before and after.

Mark Fox [00:03:40]:
Am I getting a super sorry baby until I heard the price of it. Blah, blah. But yeah, so it’s. There’s all kinds of things you can go measure. Honestly, the best things to measure today that are affordable for everybody is sleep is going to be number one with your wearable, right? Or just am I going to bed? Am I sleeping more without anywhere but things like, you know, Fitbits or rings. We have our new carry a watch coming up. Things that you can measure with sleep. Heart rate variability is going to be probably one of the top things to measure.

Mark Fox [00:04:13]:
If that increases, that’s telling. That’s indicating the entire system’s better. Your whole body, the whole spacecraft is running better. Your fight or flight is imbalanced, those type of things and blood sugar and so a lot of other things you can measure, but those are some of the simplest ones is heart rate variability and sleep. One of the best litmus tests, Nick, in the world for these technology and device is not technical at all. It’s a litmus test of your friends and family. Do you. Does your wife want to hang out with you now? Do your kids want to hang out with you? Do your neighbors invite you over whether they did these 20 more? Because you’re kind of a Jerk, Right? You change your attitude.

Mark Fox [00:04:52]:
All of that is. That is one of the top litmus tests of, hey, you’re behaving different, better, and people notice it. It happens a lot with adhd and teachers will call the parents, go, hey, you changed Johnny’s drug. What was it? We didn’t change his drug. We started using this PMF device. Why? So there’s a lot of indicators like that where people around you see the difference. But some of the simplest things is all these watches and things are affordable now instead of just doing subjective tests, you can measure with fireworks. But then the bottom line is a subjective test is still super valuable.

Mark Fox [00:05:31]:
Do I feel better or not? Do I want to get up and go to work? Right. They might have just, am I in a better mood? All those type you mentioned, like two.

Nick Urban [00:05:40]:
Of the big things that PMF influences because being the voltage of the membrane, the cell membrane, and then also the amount of cellular energy or ATP. How would that translate into so many different effects and benefits, such as even something like sleep? You might think that sleep would be impaired by having more ATP available.

Mark Fox [00:06:03]:
It could, right? It actually could. If you, if you’re running that, the protocols are going to drive ATP the highest, right? End at bedtime, adult run the sleep protocols. And you asked me earlier about how is it comparing other devices? One of the main differences is they’re not frequencies. They’re not like a Beamer map that’s doing a sweep, right? It’s their frequency pairs that are. And the protocols are very complex. So if you picture the frequency pairs of chord on a guitar, the protocols are songs and all the songs are different. So like PTSD is 76 different frequency pairs. It’s very, very complex.

Mark Fox [00:06:41]:
But at the biological level is if the voltage is low on the cell, good nutrients can’t get in the cell efficiently and waste can’t get out. So that’s. That’s the biggest factor with voltage. When it’s at the proper voltage, stuff flows. It flows into the cell, good stuff and bad stuff out to your point. Nobody’s ever asked me that before, but yes, ATP. If you just ran gamma or something to jack up your ATP, brainwave, gamma, right before bedtime, that’s not a good call because it’s going to amp you up and you’re not going to sleep as well because our sleep protocol will take you from an assumed beta gamma range, right? And it’s going to step you down, go through various parts of the brain. And PTSD is the most complex because it’s not in Your brain alone, it’s in every organ, every part of your body.

Mark Fox [00:07:34]:
You can actually see it and measure me at the cellular level. With the right technology, I don’t have that.

Nick Urban [00:07:44]:
Yeah. So your device is small for people who are listening and not watching. It’s about the size of the palm of my hand. I have a big palm and I usually wear it on the lanyard around my neck. Is it possible that a device this size can really impact my body systemically?

Mark Fox [00:08:03]:
It does. And there’s three theories of how do you get. The question is, how do you get full body coverage with a tiny little device? Right. One is it’s resonating with the water in your body. So just like throwing a pebble in a pond, the energy is focused where the device is at, but it’s still traveling with water. The reason we believe that antidotally or by correlation is if you’re not hydrated, it doesn’t work as well. So that’s, that’s a clue that water is doing that. Now you remember from science class or whatever is alternating magnetic current is going to make an alternating electrical current and vice versed.

Mark Fox [00:08:42]:
Okay. Faraday’s law, I think is what it’s called. So your body, it’s good. Most people not going to feel it, but there’s a very, very small electrical current that has to be there because of the physics and your body is conducted. So granted your skin’s about 200,000 ohms resistance. It’s pretty resistant, but it still carries current. That’s why electricity die or can’t. Right.

Mark Fox [00:09:05]:
Your body’s taking electricity and transferring it to all the organs. That’s the second way it actually transfers, we believe. And the reason we bring the water one too is like you can put it in top pocket and it makes the swelling go down in your foot. If you have a broken foot or a strained foot, the magnetic field by itself, from a physics point of view can go that far. It just drops off too fast. So the energy to get there some other way. So again, I believe it’s because of water resonation, resonating with the water, electrical conductivity of your skin and magnetite. So magnetite is in the cells of birds and turtles and stuff.

Mark Fox [00:09:45]:
And we, we believe, we humans, that that’s how they use for navigation. And it’s been recently discovered last 20, 25 years or so. I think that magnetite is in human cells just not at higher concentration, does it? So if there is magnetite and there is in your cells, it’s almost like a Chain of magnets. Right. Actually it got simple chain of magnet. Right. A magnet to magnet to magnets and energy. So it’s your cells probably adding energy to each other because of that.

Mark Fox [00:10:18]:
So you won’t hear anyone else say magnetite that I know of because I made that up. Just look, doing research and I said I think that’s real is a possible way that it could be transferred. But yeah, it’s kind of like the whole thing is how does electricity flow through a wire? Everything we ever thought is wrong. Right? You know, you’re looking for Tassium the guy, but watch how he proved that it doesn’t flow like anyone thinks. So like anything in the world, there’s tons and tons and tons of stuff we do not understand. A lot of times people go, so this is all voodoo. Well, you know, they haven’t done any research on it because I’m trying to teach you about business and creativity. Right, but you have to like tenderize their brain and apple them to get them to actually listen to something new like that.

Nick Urban [00:11:06]:
Yeah, yeah. And I mean a lot of times we’ll figure out the mechanisms of how things work given enough time, but just wait. And a lot of people don’t want to actually wait a decade, multiple decades to understand something before they use it. If they see that it’s safe and it gets people results, that’s ultimately like the two factors that matter.

Mark Fox [00:11:24]:
I always say to that point really as far as it’s safe. Relief before reason, now I going to get. I get in arguments with every single doctor, every MD ever and I’m right, they’re wrong. Okay. I had a question to college. I. Benzene rings is an alternating double bond. How do you know that? Well, because the energy says that’s what it has to be.

Mark Fox [00:11:46]:
Well yeah, but has anyone ever taken a picture or seen that? No, never. It’s more of a fuzzy cloud thing, isn’t it? So that’s again back to relate before reason. If it’s safe helping you quit trying to figure it out because you’re going to be wrong if you think you do anyway.

Nick Urban [00:12:03]:
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if you think you’re. You have the exact mechanism, you’ll be more blind to new theories and ideas that suggested something totally different.

Mark Fox [00:12:15]:
Exactly. I mean it’s like, you know, of course you’re not even close to old enough to know, but a guy named Rich, Rich hall, he’s a comedian in the 70s, right. He had a thing called sniglets. They’re words that don’t that aren’t in the dictionary, but they should be. And one of them was bozo. It’s a combination of bozo and ozone. It’s an invisible gas that surrounds people that doesn’t let any new ideas get in. Right? So I’m always like, drop the bozone.

Mark Fox [00:12:41]:
You’re not, you don’t know. And the reason this technology works is most people, almost all of our customers, they are long term, chronic in physical or mental pain and nothing else has worked for them. The side effects on the drug suck the others or they don’t work at all or other therapies. So that’s why they come to this technology or they find or they pique enough interest when they see a Facebook ad as yeah, I’ve had back pain for 25 years. Nothing has ever worked. I have one guy, I won’t mention his name, but he’s a billionaire in Dallas. He’s gone to 250 doctors for his wife who has brain damage and they don’t know what it is. This is the only thing that’s ever helped her.

Mark Fox [00:13:26]:
How is it helping her? Right, so we have theories about it, but it’s like, and this, if this doesn’t raise the hair in your arms, you’re not human. Because this is my favorite example. We have hundreds of examples we want to go through. But a 17 year old girl said, mark will never have a date in my entire life because I have Tourette’s. All the boys hate me at school. I’m a monster. I get bullied all the time. I ran the brain balancing protocol on the device and my Tourette’s disappeared and I have a date Saturday night.

Mark Fox [00:13:57]:
Then two years later she married the guy. Now I never told her to go run brain balancing. She didn’t ask, she just did it. And that’s what it did for her. In that case, I’ve had half a dozen people in the last two months tell me with the vagus nerve protocol on either the vibe or the Vega vibe that their afib went from like 98% down to 3. I’m like, are you even measuring that? They go, the apple won’t. So I didn’t know the Apple watch had afib on it, but it does. So we’re getting ready to run a clinical trial with a doc, a cardiologist in New Zealand who’s a big customer of ours to see, you know, got to get the data as best you can’t.

Mark Fox [00:14:42]:
Obviously I can’t have data. I’m not, I’m investors. I can’t go run Tons and tons of clinical trials. I can do ptsd. We have the largest PTSD study for PMF in the world that I have. Blood sugar. We’ve done sleep. You could ever get a doctor finish.

Mark Fox [00:14:58]:
I have three different doctors doing sleep studies that never finish it or ever give you the tape anyway. We’ll go with there. It’s hard to get doctors to finish stuff. But then, yeah, so we, we know it works for PTSD and trauma and that was one of the first ones I jumped on because I saw what it could do. And to your point earlier was to get the treatment you had to go find an expensive mat somewhere for at the time when I started looking at seven years ago, none of that stuff existed. There’s only a few machines around the country and you had to go drive a couple of states. So that wasn’t accessible to people to get the. Get the therapy.

Nick Urban [00:15:34]:
Yeah. So if I wanted to try this at home and say I have a continuous glucose monitor, could I like have that certain meal and then repeat it again with the blood sugar mode on or perhaps after the blood sugar mode to see if I notice any difference? I don’t know the magnitude of effect that I could expect to see.

Mark Fox [00:15:52]:
So let me make a couple points there one’s going to be very controversial, but biggest way I’m getting new wholesalers these days, doctors, is this scenario. The patient walks into the doctor’s office and the doctor goes, oh my God, your A1C is 5.6. It’s never been below 8. You finally start doing what I told you to do. You started dieting or exercising, something. They go, nah, I started using this. And the doctor snatches out of the hand to call me and go, what the hell is this? And literally, Nick, we had like three or four new wholesalers. We get a new wholesaler like every three or four months.

Mark Fox [00:16:26]:
I probably get three to four days. And it’s that scenario of a patient going to the doctor going, hey. Or they call me up, right? This has been going on for a few years. Hey, how is this possible? My blood Sugar went from 200 to 110 in 25 minutes. It does. It doesn’t do it for everything. Everybody. It’s not 100%.

Mark Fox [00:16:45]:
Nothing in the world is right. But continuous glucose monitors and the SUVs are going to show up in the door and it’s going to be the libre guys burning my house down. But there’s a study already been done. Everyone else can go look at it. But continuous glucose monitor with Bluetooth increases your Blood sugar, We don’t recommend doing it. Recommend you prick your finger or. That’s why I vented this watch that can measure blood sugar without pricking your finger. Now, it’s doing through algorithms and all that stuff that’s not 100% accurate, but it’s a very good before and after ratio to go look at.

Mark Fox [00:17:24]:
So, yeah, there’s all kinds of weird things like that. That’s like, yeah, glucose monitors. The Bluetooth is not. And you know what? Nobody references that study. Everyone else can go Google it. I did it. He’s like, dad, that’s bad. You don’t.

Mark Fox [00:17:38]:
That’s say, okay, prick your finger, use some of these devices, like these new ones. And again, it’s also back to. A lot of times people go like, I don’t even measure mine really much, but I. I know it’s working because I feel better. Then they go measure it to prove it to themselves. And is this. Is this, you know, placebo effect in my own brain?

Nick Urban [00:17:57]:
Is there a risk of going hypoglycemic or having like too large of effect on blood sugar or really through any of the protocols by using it, say, multiple times, the correct answer has to.

Mark Fox [00:18:10]:
Be, of course there’s a possibility of that. So watch what’s going on. If something’s weird’s happening, stop using it. Right? Is the side effects. It’s small percentage of people. But here’s what usually happens that go, so making me tired. Is that normal? How many times a day you use it? The answer is usually like 15. It’s like, okay, so cut back.

Mark Fox [00:18:31]:
Yeah, but I got 28 things broken on me. Like, okay, well which one’s bothering you the most? And go concentrate on that and kind of work your way into. Right? So yes, people could trim their hair with lawnmowers too. It’s not recommended, but it’s like, I can’t stop all those things like that. To answer your question, bond one, is anything’s possible. If something’s weird, stop, stop. Go ask your doctor. Contact us.

Mark Fox [00:18:56]:
If it’s our device, you should talk to him. Maybe we can help you. The number one reaction besides I’m tired is if it makes you sick. And I gotta be super careful saying this. I’m not a doctor, I’m a rock scientist. All I don’t diagnose, treat, cure anything. So I feel really bad about even mentioning this to customers, but we know this is true. If it makes you feel sick, it probably means you have an infection.

Mark Fox [00:19:20]:
So the, the inflammation. Normally 40 protocols in there, it’s going to reduce inflammation. The theory is the inflammation is holding that bad stuff inside at a local point and it gets into the rest of your body, makes you kind of feel sick. So you can’t really suggest to people. But we do go get a blood test, go ask your doctor, go see if you have an impacted teeth or an infected toe. That might be what it is and you just don’t know it. That the other side effect is if you’re in severe pain long term it can make you drunk or stuck. So what? And that has been measured.

Mark Fox [00:19:54]:
Nick is your, your body goes, you party. That pain isn’t there. And the endorphins 10x and you have a young woman here that backpedal did my chair over here and sat down. She goes, I’m seeing double vision. So first time you use it, if you’re in severe pain, especially don’t be driving a car, operating catapults or machine guns, whatever. Right. Is go make sure it doesn’t have that effect on you. But that’s rare.

Mark Fox [00:20:20]:
It’s very rare. But those really only side effects. But again anything to answer your question down the long answer is yeah, anything could be possible. So use common sense.

Nick Urban [00:20:31]:
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. If someone’s generally healthy, are there particular settings or modes that you recommend? Like I know there’s the. I don’t know if I should even say the names of the programs that would get you in trouble or not. But there’s certain ones to help with the aging process and there are certain ones to help with brain related things. And there’s the inflammation program that you mentioned. What are like the ones the recommendations you have for someone who doesn’t have any acute issues that’s they’re aware of at least.

Mark Fox [00:21:02]:
Yeah, I answered this way. I guess the most common, most used protocol and device is general inflammation. And the reason is 80% of all ailments are something to do with inflammation. Ironically, of course just because this video game of the universe is hilarious. This had 47 on it when we started. The only one that had a bug in it, the only one was general inflammation. It’s like, oh my God, wasn’t mono one that nobody ever uses right. The most used one.

Mark Fox [00:21:35]:
So I was like trying to find that bug was impossible. We finally just had to kill it and rewrite it. So general information is going to be number one. Vagus nerve is the super highway magical thing that fixes a lot of stuff if that’s imbalanced and it’s what athletes are going to look for is vagus nerf with their heart rate variability. Am I overdoing it? Is it time to start working out more? Is it time to rest? But if you just had to all the biomarkers and things you can go look at, honestly, number one is sleep. Just what are you getting enough sleep, is it eating enough rem, blah blah. Then heart rate variability is what I would measure, but I would use general information. I wouldn’t have recommended this two years ago for vagus nerve, but we’re learning that much more about it, how it’s doing for people that aren’t familiar with it.

Mark Fox [00:22:26]:
It’s comes in your brain, down both sides, your neck, it goes to your heart and all your organs and it’s the super highway communication between your brain and your organs and it talks both ways. So it is the fight or flight system police, right, to make sure you’re not. Make sure you don’t have your lowering the gas and your foot on the brake at the same time that you’re imbalanced. And yeah, we ran a clinical trial on that. We had heart rate variability go up 43% on average in one hour. So we don’t even have the data yet. One one hour session. We’re working on the data still is.

Mark Fox [00:23:06]:
What does that mean using that four times a week for 30 days? We don’t even have that data yet. So that’s really exciting. Me personally, I’m an old dude, as you can tell, 64. If my heart rate variability was above 40, it means I’m in pretty good shape. Mine’s 23, 24. Mine is now 105. I’m trying to test myself long term. What does that do to me, this.

Nick Urban [00:23:27]:
Sleep one, I’ve noticed that when I run it. First of all, I don’t know how you recommend using it. The way I’ve been doing it is I’ve been running it and having it under my pillow. I don’t know if that’s a. Don’t do that. Okay, well I’ve been doing that and one thing I noticed is that it made my dreams a lot more vivid and lucid.

Mark Fox [00:23:48]:
And then that’s a common comment. But what I’d recommend, it’s gotta be a weird answer, is because people roll over to hit and they throw it across the room and you don’t have carpeting, it hits the floor, it can break. Right. So I recommend because the sleep protocol is 46 minutes running an hour before bed, hour and a half before bed, then run brainwave delta because sleep protocol is banging your way down to that anyway. And. But try not to take it to bed. Now, the other reason you can imagine how we’d be on it, I don’t want this big bright light thing to come on when I touch the button. Well, and you’re in the dark and you.

Mark Fox [00:24:25]:
It’s bright enough that you see it during the day, so don’t do it when you’re trying to sleep.

Nick Urban [00:24:29]:
Just try it before yours makes sense. And so if I wear it around my neck, the magnetic field is strong enough in some capacity, whether it’s working on my blood or the magnetite thing you said it was, it’s actually going to influence my brain and put it into either delta for sleep or say, alpha or theta for meditation or gamma for, like, productivity and connecting the dots.

Mark Fox [00:24:55]:
It’s interesting. I won’t call them competitors because everyone in this industry, in the PMF world, by the way, in my opinion, they’re all super good people. Rising time, this all ships, everything, everyone’s great except one person. I won’t say who she is because she’s awful, but everyone else is great. Right. And so the Vegas Norwood is. And I’m referencing some other studies that we’ve shared back and forth some of our competitors. But the reason I created the pendant.

Mark Fox [00:25:20]:
So my point was going to be that everyone initially going to think, hey, it’s a head issue. I get to wear my head. People don’t want to wear in their head one product, literally, it’s been around forever, uses wet sponges. It’s like the green pile, like, I’m going to the electric chair. People do not like that. You don’t need to put it on your head to get full body coverage for the reasons we already talked about. Interestingly, some of these head devices, and these are some of the good guys I’m talking about, is their customers don’t wear it on their head. They put it on the leg or they put on their shoulder.

Mark Fox [00:25:57]:
So now the manufacturer has changed how to use it on purpose. Now, because the reason I created the pendant was it’s just a piece of jewelry. And because it clusters around your heart, I can get to the vagus now. Old school thinking. So here’s old school vagus nerve thinking. You got to cut into the person’s brain and put inside the brain, and you cut inside of them, you put it in a spine. Okay. Then the old school thinking is because the vagus nerve is closest to the neck skin, that I got to put it on my neck or by My earlobe.

Mark Fox [00:26:32]:
I got to pull my earlobe. And do you dough? Because the heart is a little bit deeper, but the magnetic field travels enough to get to it. That’s our theory and that’s what the data showing. It’s working. So that’s how you kind of get full body coverage of things that we already talked about. And it doesn’t need to be on your brain. PTSD is the best example. As I said earlier, it’s been proven it’s not just in your brain, it’s in your blood, your organ, your liver.

Mark Fox [00:26:58]:
So where would you put it for ptsd? It wasn’t just in your pocket. And so you put your back pocket where? With the lanyard. I gave up two years ago. Tell women not to put it in the bra anymore because they’re going to do it anyway. Women just stick it in their bra because it’s more convenient. And so it’s like, okay, warning to all female listeners. I don’t know what you guys do in the bathroom, but be careful because we have so many of these dropped in the toilet. It’s in our FAQs.

Mark Fox [00:27:26]:
What happens when I drop with the toilet? You hit it with a blow dryer immediately. Rice won’t do anything to. Rice is not going to help. And it’s not waterproof because it has vent holes in it because it does put out relatively decent amount of energy. Nine gauss. And it’s going to get a little bit warm. So get some ventilation. Don’t put it in your pants.

Mark Fox [00:27:45]:
If you have super, super thick pants and you’re exercising at the same time, it’s going to get too.

Nick Urban [00:27:50]:
Okay. And I know that there’ll be some questions about like how does PEMF compare to just EMF and like the non native EMF specifically that people are concerned about when it comes to like WI fi and Bluetooth and cell data and stuff like that.

Mark Fox [00:28:07]:
Everyone will ask me, we get this question many times a day, does it put out emf? And I go, I can’t answer yes or no because the answer is yes, of course it does. It’s P, E M F, it’s electromagnetic field. That’s all EMF means. It doesn’t mean good or bad. Now everyone’s, everyone’s connotation is EMF is form. Okay? So, so is light, so is excellent. So the analogy that I use people is everyone’s gone to the dentist, put a lead apron on you and they show you an X Ray that’s 10 to the 12th, the 13th zeros. Okay? That’s how big that frequency is and the energy.

Mark Fox [00:28:43]:
I use this analogy as a surfer. The energy is how big is the wave and how often does it come. So if I’m sitting out the wait for a wave and a one foot waves that come every 15 minutes at not that much energy. If they’re 100 foot waves, they come 100 million billion times a second. That’s a lot of energy. So the reason you’re wearing a lead apron is because it’s 10 to the 12 pounds. Okay. Your cell phone is going to be a million.

Mark Fox [00:29:08]:
Wi fi is 2.4 gigahertz. So that’s millions. These devices, all the PMF devices usually in the range of one to a thousand hertz, which might sound like a lot, but if you plotted that scale of an X ray at the dentist, these are zero traction zero. Because on an exponential scale one to a thousand is same as zero when it comes to 13 zeros. Right. So it’s been proven that that adds energy to the body. That’s helpful for the reasons that we said. And it’s, it’s magnetic theory.

Mark Fox [00:29:43]:
Therapy has been around since Hippocrates. He wrote in 3500 BC. Right. So those are static magnets that were lodestones which we believe are magnetized because of rocks on the ground that get hit by lightning. Okay. So it was discovered that pemf, a pulse electromagnetic field is just more therapeutic. And that was around Tesla’s time that started to get research. There’s a lot of traction and everyone know probably knows this or maybe not Carnegie and Rockefeller ruined it for everybody.

Mark Fox [00:30:12]:
Okay, so Rockefeller owned all the oil world, whole oil in the country, Standard Oil. He figured out he can make drugs out of oil and they own the medical landscape. They owned all the funding for universities in the Carnegie and they basically said hey, if you’re doing anything but surgery or drugs we’re going to pull your funding and your license. So in the United States all that research got dropped and we’re way behind the rest of the world because of it. It’s getting spun back up again in the last 30, 40 years. But that that was the big hiccup was Rockefeller.

Nick Urban [00:30:45]:
Yeah, that’s a good synopsis of like why it’s different. And yes it is still an emf, it’s magnetic field and it’s not necessarily the same in terms of power as it isn’t the same power as other devices that people are more concerned about even if they’re still non ionizing.

Mark Fox [00:31:05]:
How do you that I use so Two things. The lower end of it, you’re engulfed in it right now. It’s the Earth’s heartbeat at 7.83 hertz. The Schumann frequency, that’s about a half a Gauss. 4 to 0.5. This device, the Vive, is 9 Gauss maximum. An MRI is 50,000 Gauss. Now, we do a million MRIs a year in this country.

Mark Fox [00:31:28]:
How many deaths do you think there have been from an mri? One. Okay. And it came from a tank flying across the room, hitting a lady in the head because it wasn’t tied down. Yeah. So I’ll just stop there because we’re going to hit the pacemakers. And can you use it? The official answer is no. Do you have a pacemaker, insulin pump, or electronics in you? No, don’t use it unless you’re under doctor supervision. But this is a fact.

Mark Fox [00:31:54]:
Nobody had a pacemaker, could get an MRI for that reason. They were scared to death of what, 50,000? Gossip. Then doctors figured out, hey, you’re going to die if we don’t look inside you and see what’s wrong. So you want to take a chance. And to my knowledge, no one with a pacemaker has ever dined with an Mr. It’s only that one lady. Now, having said that, the official answer from Mark and everyone in the PMF world is pacemaker, don’t use it. And if you’re pregnant, don’t use it, because the first deformed baby that comes out, it’s going to get blamed on this.

Mark Fox [00:32:23]:
So got to err on the side of safety when it comes to that.

Nick Urban [00:32:28]:
You mentioned the Schumann resonance a minute ago, and I think that’s 7.83 hertz, give or take. You have a mode on the vibe that is, I guess you have multiple modes that are. What do you call them? Harmonics of the Schumann resonance. What is the benefit of replaying that frequency set?

Mark Fox [00:32:51]:
Good question. So there’s three ways. There’s 7.83 hertz, 14.1 and 20.3. I may screwed up the other two, but I know it’s 7.83 for sure. But those are the three. You can look on the bicep on them. The reason I did that was just a hypothesis, Nick, is my feet are on a grounding mat right now. So I’m like, can I do grounding with shoes on? That’s the reason I put them in there.

Mark Fox [00:33:19]:
Can I get the grounding effect by just having the energy there? Now, I’ve known for a long time what 40 hertz can do with Alzheimer’s and plaque and everything. MIT discovered it by accident years ago. I’ve talked to them multiple times. The new device that we have, I need to go prove it works. But that’s what I’m really excited about is the old people like me and the amount of Alzheimer’s and, you know, MCI Cognitive Impairment, moderate. I’ve been schooled, Nick, by the doctor that’s going to help me who wants to run the study. He’s one of the top guys in the world on the subject. Don’t say Alzheimer’s.

Mark Fox [00:33:57]:
The MCI go. I know what MCI is. He goes, moderate Cognitive impairment. You can say that and not get shot by the SUV front door, my guy. So we’re MCI people, right? With this new device that is coming two weeks, it’s going to put out 40Hz light and 40Hz PM at the same time. And you’re going to wear it on the inside of your wrist where there’s a meridian right here and. And then on the back, but there’s another meridian. There’s a cool thing in research.

Mark Fox [00:34:29]:
Let’s say R and D stands for research and development. It also means rob and duplicate, which is what every inventor since the beginning of time has ever done. So this device will hold that, and you just put it like this on the back of your neck. Where I R and D this from me and my designer was somebody invented a device that if you’re sitting on your computer and you see slouch, it goes and it yells at you. Right. But it has a little electronic thing that sees you leaning, has a little magnetometer there. So we just took that basic concept of design and changed the holder. So this is what we’re going to.

Mark Fox [00:35:05]:
So, yeah, I robbed and duplicated that from somebody that has nothing to do with my industry. Right.

Nick Urban [00:35:09]:
Interesting.

Mark Fox [00:35:10]:
What most inventors do.

Nick Urban [00:35:12]:
Yeah. So could you take the vibe and then just run 40 hertz? And of course, it’s not going to be as effective as if you have the light in tandem with it, but can you do that to help with the similar goal?

Mark Fox [00:35:26]:
Yeah, the general information is going to be close. It’s almost all 40 hertz. It’s. It’s should say that it’s 40 and 116 mixed. And there’s lots of research that show that was it. But in general, the magic frequency in PMF is 40 hertz. So it’s not a surprise that that’s what MIT discovered. And this.

Mark Fox [00:35:47]:
This I got to school an MIT professor doctor. It made me feel really Good. I’m like. He goes, what’s your frequencies? I go, one to a thousand hertz. He goes, well, it can’t work because nobody can see me over 60 hertz. I’m like, right, you didn’t take the rat’s eyes open. So how did the energy get into this rat? And he goes, we never figured that out. So I was talking to a doctor friend of mine.

Mark Fox [00:36:06]:
Her name’s Dr. Lori Barr. She’s one of the top pediatric radiologists in the country. And I was telling her this story, and she goes, hey, Mark. They discovered like 25 years ago that your skin has light receptors as cones and rods, almost like your eyes. So I went back to this MIT guy and he goes, that’s a bunch of bs. That isn’t true. So I sent him all this research.

Mark Fox [00:36:29]:
I go, go, read that. Right? And he’s like, huh. So even MIT people, right? No, Vozo, man, keep an open mind. You don’t know.

Nick Urban [00:36:38]:
Yeah. Wow. So if I run the different modes, say there’s a 20 Hz, there’s a 30 Hz, a 40 Hz across the different modes. I run that and I’m wearing it on my neck. And am I still gonna be in training my brain to that frequency as well? What if I don’t necessarily want to entrain my brain to a. Like a gamma or something like that?

Mark Fox [00:36:59]:
Yeah, I don’t think it will, is a general rule. It’s like, again, it’s getting a little weird, but if your body doesn’t need it, it won’t use it. Okay? That’s been the general consensus. And what, like I said, the history of this technology and where it came from, the US is sparse because of Carnegie and Rockville. Literally. A lady found a machine that had a card that said, inflammation, 40 Hertz, Vitality125, or whatever it was. What the hell does that mean? And where to come from? So nobody knows. So the analogy I use is 8,000 people over 35 years have used these frequencies.

Mark Fox [00:37:38]:
And if you picture a bunch of kids in a garage band, right, they’re trying to make a song, hey, add in some cowbells in there and throw in a little bit of horn. Well, that didn’t work. So throw that out. That’s how they got most of them on there, is how they’re developed. Not all of them. I’ll give you an example. When it’s not so. And I’ve been cautious not to make them up my own because I’m not a doctor, right? But two years ago, Maybe I had three doctors really weird the same week, and they weren’t related.

Mark Fox [00:38:05]:
They weren’t talking to each other. They said, this is kicking butt for Ms. I don’t have a protocol for Ms. I go, what are you running? Fibromyalgia. And they all said, yep. So just made a logical bridge of. So I’ve been doing that. So when in doubt, we already covered this.

Mark Fox [00:38:22]:
Run general formation because it’s the root evil of most everything. If it’s toxicity, run the liver protocol. If it’s nerve related, run fibromyalgia or neuropathy. Right? If it smells, looks anything like allergy, run allergy, right. If it makes you. I don’t care if it’s food allergy or allergy or skin or whatever, just try allergies. Not going to work all the time, but a lot of times it does. So a lot of people doing that make the bridge themselves, right? Is this one’s close enough.

Mark Fox [00:38:49]:
I try it. If my body doesn’t need it, it’s not going to use it.

Nick Urban [00:38:54]:
Okay, so you have a lot of different, like acute programs where if someone wants to, like if they have something and they perhaps don’t want to take a traditional approach to dealing with that thing, they could try this to see if they get at least some symptomatic relief.

Mark Fox [00:39:12]:
And this is the good news about it in general. If you use it three to four times a week for 30 days and it doesn’t help you, it’s not going to. Or you misdiagnose yourself. You run it on protocols and it’s not 100%. It’s not impossible. I mean, PTSD, we have a 98% success rate in general. Don’t hold me to it. We have about a 90.

Mark Fox [00:39:35]:
I can tell you a return rate’s less than 3%. So we have 95, 98 success rate. The lowest one, all you old grumpy men like me listen. The lowest one is prostate. It’s only like 65%. So do not call my phone and just start yelling at me because it didn’t work. Is try it. The other 65% does work.

Mark Fox [00:39:56]:
Static that it did. I don’t know why that one’s the lower percentage. Maybe it’s because prostate’s complex of what’s causing it. Bph, for example, if large prostate. They’re no doctor in the world can tell you why. It just says it comes with old people, you know, so I’ve never heard anyone explain what actually is causing it. Right? So maybe it’s complex. So it’s, it’s.

Mark Fox [00:40:20]:
You try it if it doesn’t work for you. Now all these, you getting all the statistical stuff like, well, how long to have to use above? It’s like the problem is I tell people probably don’t need to use it more than once a day, but when somebody’s hurting for 20 years, then it works for them. They do not care about statistical analysis. They’re like, I have a friend who’s X race car driver. He’s had four concussions, he’s been on fire twice. He was taken eight Ambien a night for 15 years. Now he takes zero. So he has about 25 of these.

Mark Fox [00:40:54]:
He looks like a terrorist strapped on him at all. It’s like he don’t need. His name is Mark2. You don’t need to run that many. He goes, screw you, Fox. I’m going to do whatever I want to do. Feel better, right? And so you get that from a lot of people where I know you can’t overdose because if you could, I’d have a lot of customers in trouble because so.

Nick Urban [00:41:16]:
But if someone, I see someone with allergies and they run the allergy program, is it reasonable to expect that they would actually experience like a noticeable shift after the say hour long program or would that be like they would need to have it and use it for multiple weeks, at least a couple times per week to see a change?

Mark Fox [00:41:33]:
You know, it all depends on the person and the protocol. You pick one of the ones that is more rapid. Our allergies give you a perfect example. Friend of mine calls me up in the airport. Are you kidding me? This, I have not breathed this well since I was 14 years old. He’s in his 50s. Like, what are you talking about? He goes, I ran the. It wasn’t allergies, actually, it was as excuse you ran into asthma, which is going to be a fast one too because he goes around asthma and he goes like I just say I couldn’t never be read like this, blah, blah.

Mark Fox [00:42:05]:
And I go, you idiot. Are you just now using it for the first time? I gave it to you four months ago. Yeah. So there’s another rule. It will not work if it sits on the shelf. But what with it, that’s really cool. With allergies and asthma is actually forces right? Horse owners will see almost immediately the horse starts licking and they do stuff with their ears. Now if I was a sinister marketer, I would just make a protocol that makes horses lick because all their owners are confident that that horse is happy when they’re licking like it.

Mark Fox [00:42:42]:
Have a certain kind of lick, like, okay. But yeah. So some people don’t see any response. And here’s a caution, Nick, is like, with ptsd, the first big study that I did is they did it for 30 days, three, four times a week. Then I have people go, you know, I’m not sure if it helped me or not. You know, I could maybe a little bit. And I go, wow. So we’re using the Veterans Administration PLC 5.

Mark Fox [00:43:11]:
It’s 20 questions, zero to four eighties. The is you can get 33. And above me jab. PTSD likely. I have people, I get them on zoom calls all the time. Nick. I go. So you went, you don’t think it worked, huh? They go, nope.

Mark Fox [00:43:27]:
So you went from a self reported 72 to a 12. And they start crying. So they just sit there and start crying. So I have tons of zoom calls like that that I can’t. I can. I have a couple dozen on the website. Most of people don’t want that in the public, right? But it’s like people forget how bad they felt three days ago. So encourage him.

Mark Fox [00:43:51]:
Get biomarkers, HRV stuff, keep a journal. I have a. I had a chiropractor here in town that I’ve known since kindergarten, right? I told him this story and he’s like. And I’ve talked to a bunch of talkers and psychiatrists. They tell me this. Every intervention in the world, same thing, Mark. They forget how they felt. So he videotapes every new patient.

Mark Fox [00:44:09]:
He goes, mark, they come in on a walker. The next time they come in, in a cane, next time they come in with a laptop. And they go, well, I can always do. And he goes, no, you couldn’t. You couldn’t even walk 60 days ago. I will show you the videos right now. I don’t need to see that. So this is my theory.

Mark Fox [00:44:26]:
I’m. If I’m not in trouble already, there’s another one of my theories. So I started doing free reports for people when I first started the company because, like, I’m going to get all these returns because people think it didn’t help them when it did. Right. And so. But we haven’t, fortunately. But it’s. I think there’s still some of that.

Mark Fox [00:44:43]:
People go, yeah, I don’t know. Well, sometimes people. Right. Why’d you return it? I didn’t feel different. What were you trying to feel different about? Nothing. I’m in great shape. Well, what were you testing? I don’t know. Or we get people’s like, I ran for back pain.

Mark Fox [00:44:56]:
Why’d you return. Here’s like, your number one answer. Why’d you return it? Because I ran for back payment, pain went away, and you have a money back guarantee. I want my money back, dude. That’s our number one reason is it worked and I want my money back. Then you gotta go, K. Interesting.

Nick Urban [00:45:13]:
Yeah, that is. That is something else. So if someone runs one of these protocols, I’m sure it differs based on the protocol, but, like, for example, the ptsd, it’s like, do I have to. If I say I get to the end of the 30 days, then what happens from there on? Like, if I never use it again, would I still have, like, would I maintain my current state, or would it be, like a slow decline back to where I was beforehand?

Mark Fox [00:45:38]:
Don’t know, because we just don’t have that statistical data. My guess, and anecdotal data is you need some kind of maintenance program. We think because it’s going to be interesting, the people that return it. We have a significant amount of people return it and buying again because they go, it was helping me. I didn’t realize it was. Can I buy another one? Guy. Well, his last name is A. Ed.

Mark Fox [00:46:02]:
And I go, ed, I will sell you another one if you promise never to call my cell phone again. Because you’ve called me over 50 times to just complain constantly and stuff. And now you. Now you’re telling me it worked. So, hello, Ed? He knows who he is, but it’s like, yeah, so it’s. There’s all that psychology. We don’t have any long term. I mean, we have some people that run it.

Mark Fox [00:46:24]:
Their migraines went away and they run it twice a week. And they don’t have migraines anymore. Or they’re way less severe or less. So they don’t scientifically go, hey, if I cut that back to one or take it to four, does it make it better? They just kind of go, hey, I’m happy where I’m at. I’m going to keep doing Dewey. Or the more common thing is, oh, crap, I don’t feel good. Where is that thing? Where did I put it? You know, they set it somewhere. Somebody borrowed it.

Mark Fox [00:46:51]:
They put in a drawer. Now they don’t know where it is.

Nick Urban [00:46:53]:
Yeah, I guess it makes sense for a general protocol. Would you say, like, for someone who doesn’t have anything, like, as I was mentioning before, if I ran, like, general inflammation once per day and then like, brain balancing once per day, would that be a good combination? Or Would that be too much of either of them? How would someone go about using this on a regular basis if they didn’t have anything that was like standing out is like an acute issue.

Mark Fox [00:47:22]:
I just keep telling everyone I went three to four times a week for 30 days to start with because that’s kind of what happened in the clinical environment, right? Is that’s about how many times you visit the doctor before they go start working. Now, from there, I wish I had you asked some very specific answers. I wish I had them. And tons of data that goes show all that. I just don’t. Is it because we’re old? I don’t know if I’m a startup company anymore or not. I don’t know when. Not a startup.

Mark Fox [00:47:49]:
This is our third year, so I guess I don’t know if I qualify or not. Somewhere between that and small business. But yeah, I just don’t have tons of that data. It’s. It is, it’s a weird thing because everyone goes, I want the scientific data prova. And then when I go get it, nobody cares. They don’t. They don’t care.

Mark Fox [00:48:07]:
They just actually what sells is the video testimony. Now, I actually tell people I don’t want any written testimonials because they think I wrote them. But my point to that is the video testimonials, we have a couple hundred of them that we have on the website. Those are all real people, right? And people see that and they go, what the hell? In most cases, it worked for that person. It might not work for me. Give it a try. I really Wish it was 100% because it. I’ll tell you this.

Mark Fox [00:48:37]:
So I just mentioned all the pajamas girls I have working for me, right? They’re literally in a pajama. Is. I tell you, it’s going to be most satisfying job you’ve ever had talking with people. But. But this is not Housewives of Orange County. This is not a fake reality TV show. This is real people that are in severe pain, been tortured, kidnapped, in some cases beaten up by boyfriend’s husband, all caught in the pstr. Miscarriages, death in the family, murders.

Mark Fox [00:49:05]:
Yes. These are real people you’re talking to, especially in that PTSD trauma area, which is our most tested clinically protocol. So it’s weird because you. I have to walk away from emails sometimes crying, going, oh, my. What the. Can you, can I talk to you? I’m like, no. I, I. Emotionally, I don’t want to get on the phone with you.

Mark Fox [00:49:24]:
I got to have Kelly do it because Mark’s not strong enough because it’s like, oh, my. That is awful. What I just read. So. But on the flip side of that, dude, when somebody calls you up, says, hey, I had a gun in my mouth. I was going to kill myself. Decided not to. My.

Mark Fox [00:49:43]:
I was going to get divorced. My wife said, let’s cancel that because we’re getting along a lot better. My kids want to play with me now and hang out those kind of stories. You’re like, and those are real. They’re. They’re not fake. That these are real people that’s made a big difference in their life. I wish it was on.

Mark Fox [00:50:00]:
It hurts me personally when it doesn’t help them. I wish I could help these other 35% prostate guys. But it didn’t work. Sorry. Shoot me. Please don’t just send it back. I’ll give you money back. Frustrating because they’re.

Mark Fox [00:50:15]:
They get so excited about it and send it to them when it doesn’t work. Fortunately, it does for most people.

Nick Urban [00:50:19]:
And I’m imagining too, that people are going to get great results with this. When they’re combining this with other modalities at the same time. It’s like, yeah, you can do this and it’s pretty much passive. You put it on the program, but go about your day. Or you can combine the passive program with something that’s a little more active and engaging or perhaps other passive modalities at the same time. And then you’re only going to increase the likelihood most. Most likely of positive outcomes and perhaps reduce some of the. I don’t know if there are any risks or aside from the caveats you mentioned earlier or side effects or anything.

Nick Urban [00:50:54]:
So it seems like there’s a lot of potential for this to be used in conjunction with other modalities.

Mark Fox [00:51:01]:
It’s two things that. One is meditation, for sure. We have tons and tons and tons of feedback of running the brainwave ones with meditation. The flip side of that is, and I won’t name the company because I have a set over here is Guided Meditations Mark cannot do. I can’t stand this guy’s voice. It’s annoying as animal. And they only have a few programs that have no voice on them and you’re kind of hostile. The cool part about this device, it’s in your pocket, you forget about it literally all the time.

Mark Fox [00:51:33]:
I go to grab my cell phone and pull it out of my pocket and it’s the vibe like, that’s not even my phone. I forgot I was running this. But yes, you can mix it with the other modalities. When people go, can again. I’m getting trouble. When you go, hey, can I use this with my amorous crystal, my Buddha doll, my incense, this. And they name four other things. I don’t know what it is.

Mark Fox [00:51:52]:
And my four medications, I don’t know how would I possibly answer that question. Nobody in the medical world has ever tested a combination of three drugs in Ron. And the average American’s on four medications. Nobody’s testing all those crossings. So I don’t. They get nervous. EMF blockers, number one thing is they’re worried about their amorous crystal that I’m going to damage it somehow. I go, I don’t have any test data to show that, but I don’t think it’s going to mess up your crystal.

Mark Fox [00:52:22]:
That’s all I can say because I, I’m a Rocist. I can’t go. Absolutely not. I won’t do that. Like I might, might not stop the voodoo doll. I’m not sure they can’t get it all and stuff. Amis crystals. If I could, if I could figure out the algorithm in Facebook of every person that has Amherst Bristol as a potential customer, I could probably double my revenue because they’re already in that space.

Mark Fox [00:52:46]:
Right? They’re always like, they’re not, they’re not the grumpy guy that’s just going to fight. They’re not the bozone guy that’s going to fight it. And this is a weird thing, shouldn’t say this, but it’s true. Women, at least in my experience, way more accepted to try this. Men are just like, ah, yeah, work. Or the women buy for their husband. Screw that on and try that stupid thing. Get this.

Mark Fox [00:53:06]:
Why’d you buy this, you crazy lady? Send it back.

Nick Urban [00:53:09]:
Mark, one other question for you before we start to wind this one down and let people know we where they can reach you and try your devices before we get to that. With certain antioxidants and things people use to help manage inflammation, it can have adverse effects on things like say exercise. Like you can blunt the hormetic effect where you’re not getting quite as much return on your time spent exercising. And there’s like the potential of like over reduction so that you’re not getting the benefits you would of other like lifestyle and nutritional practices. Is there a risk of going too far to the extreme with the general inflammation program on this or is there like a certain level where your biology will not accept any more magnetic stimulus that will help or that would further put you into unhealthy territory. In terms of inflammation.

Mark Fox [00:54:00]:
The honest answer is I don’t know. Here’s what we think, though anecdotally. Right. Is what I said earlier that makes you feel tired. Cut back. My theory is your body needs time to use the energy. Now almost every time somebody goes, hey, it’s making me tired. Is that normal? How many protocols you run in a day? I don’t even ask how much a week anymore because I know it’s more than one.

Mark Fox [00:54:21]:
They’re like, I run in nine or 10 of them. It’s like, okay, just cut back and see if that helps. And in most cases it has. But yeah, to get honest, scientific answers or what do you answer? I just don’t know. We don’t have the cool.

Nick Urban [00:54:35]:
Yeah. I combine this with red light therapy and it seems to work nicely. And I do that with meditation as well. And I’m excited to try out more ways of using this. Actually in my case, less ways of using it because I already am on like the nine protocols per day bandwagon. So hopefully I can cut down and it’s nice, it’s fun. If people want to give this a shot or check out your work and other products, where do they find you online?

Mark Fox [00:55:01]:
Resona Health. So it’s R E S O N A dot Health. Resona is short for resonance. So there’s no.com in there, just Rozona, Die Health or anyone to go there. There’s a knowledge base they can go search. We used to have a ton of content on the website, but the FDA doesn’t want us saying much. So you got to take a bunch of it down. But we’re trying to find ways to get that information out.

Mark Fox [00:55:25]:
Share better. I wrote a book called what on Earth Are We Doing to Our Health? Which then go find that for a dollar online, have a new book coming out, go find Joy, which should be out in a week, which is all around anxiety and how these and the reason I picked anxiety. Anxiety is the number one ailment for all people and pets across the world by far. So that’s the biggest bang for the buck of trying to go after it. One thing. And so we’ll see how that works. We know we got good data with it, but yeah, that’s where they go. Razona Dial and I will put a.

Nick Urban [00:56:00]:
Link to everything we’ve discussed in the show notes for this episode, as well as some of the deeper dives I’ve done on different protocols and what the advanced modes can map to in terms of outcomes. Because there’s a whole secret menu beyond what’s available within the Vibe natively.

Mark Fox [00:56:18]:
Thank you so much for having me. Really enjoyed this.

Nick Urban [00:56:21]:
Me too. Until next time, be an Outlier. Thanks for tuning in to high performance longevity. If you got value today, the best way to support the show is to leave a review or share it with someone who’s ready to upgrade their healthspan. You can find all the episodes, show notes and resources [email protected] until next time, stay energized, stay bioharmonized, and be an outlier.