The Truth About Full-Spectrum Infrared Sauna Therapy: Detox, HRV, Longevity & EMFs

Connie Zack [00:00:00]:
If you haven’t started using infrared yet, I would say it is time to give it a try.

Nick Urban [00:00:08]:
You’re listening to High Performance Longevity. The show exploring a better path to optimal health for those daring to live as an outlier in a world of averages. I’m your host, Nick Urban, bioharmonizer, performance coach, and lifelong student of both modern, modern science and ancestral wisdom. Each week we decode the tools, tactics and timeless principles to help you optimize your mind, body and performance span things you won’t find on Google or in your AI tool of choice. From cutting edge biohacks to grounded lifestyle practices, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to look, feel and perform at your best across all of life’s domains. Connie, welcome to the podcast.

Connie Zack [00:00:59]:
Thank you. I’m so happy to be here.

Nick Urban [00:01:01]:
I’ve been looking forward to this conversation for a while, actually, since my family first started using Sunlighten a handful of years ago. Today we’re going to cover, I guess, some of the science and what brought you into this and then also the practical, practicality side of it and also some of the business things that I haven’t heard. You get to discuss much on the podcast.

Connie Zack [00:01:22]:
Sounds great. I’m excited to be here and yeah, I look forward to hopefully providing some insights and some valuable information for your listeners.

Nick Urban [00:01:33]:
Totally. So what got you into the world of saunas? Because unlike a lot of companies that are just starting out in the last year or two, you’ve been doing this for a little while now and you’re one of the names, the big names in the infrared sauna world.

Connie Zack [00:01:48]:
Yes, we’ve been doing this for over 20 years. It’s really crazy to think that’s the longest thing I’ve ever done in my life. But it’s a personal story. It’s a personal passion. My brother was really sick, chronically ill, tried everything that he could possibly do in order to heal himself and nothing worked. And he literally could not get out of bed. And finally he went to his dentist and his dentist diagnosed him with heavy metal toxicity as a result of the mercury amalgam fillings leaking into his body. And said, jason, I have heard about a technology, it’s a wavelength actually of light called infrared, and it can potentially detoxify the body safely and naturally and pull out that mercury.

Connie Zack [00:02:42]:
It’s worth a shot. And so it was obviously worth a shot. And so my brother bought an infrared sauna and it changed his life. And while he was transforming himself, I was able. We Both lived in St. Louis at the time And I was able to watch the transformation, but also do my own research. And I was in the pharmaceutical side at Procter and Gamble, so I had access to a lot of medical information. And in summary, I found very valuable information regarding infrared that has already produced in Asia, but not knowledgeable, not aware, not over here in the United States.

Connie Zack [00:03:26]:
And just had this, you know, aha. Moment of wow. You know, if people could do something that’s safe and natural in the comfort of their own home to heal themselves, you know, and absolutely, like, get beneath the onion, right? And, like, get to the root cause and, like, why wouldn’t, you know, people want to do that? So that, you know, was how everything was started. I was dating this awesome guy named Aaron, who is now my husband and business partner. And we both. He was also at P and G. And, you know, we left our corporate careers and spent the rest of our life dedicating to figuring out how to bring the most effective, efficient, beautiful, you know, product to market and. And then how to innovate along the way and how to meet our customers where they are and adjust to their needs and all those.

Connie Zack [00:04:22]:
Those interesting aspects of business.

Nick Urban [00:04:25]:
So did you actually build the business because you saw so much success personally and with your brother, and as a result, you decided you wanted to help share this with the world?

Connie Zack [00:04:35]:
Sort of. That was the genesis. I mean, the. Ultimately, I encouraged, you know, my brother. I said, my gosh, this is amazing. And what I do, day in and day out, I felt like I was making a difference and I was helping people. You know, I was helping educate them about Crohn’s and Colitis and medications to help with them. I was helping them with antihypertensives.

Connie Zack [00:04:56]:
I mean, I was helping them with, you know, in my opinion at the time, live a better life, which is what I’ll. I was all about, was my personal, you know, passion was to help make a difference and leave this world a healthier place. And when I saw this transformation of my brother, I was just like, oh, my gosh, this is not a band Aid. This is really a cure, you know, So I encouraged him to, you know, share his story, and so he did. And there was, you know, a lot of road bumps along the way, but ultimately, I mean, a lot, especially in the very beginning, and because I couldn’t leave right then. And so he got into business with somebody else, and that did not work out. And so there’s. There’s a lot.

Connie Zack [00:05:38]:
There’s a lot to the very, very beginning. But ultimately, both Aaron and I thought you know what, this, this changed his life. And we saw it firsthand. And we’ve also seen on the pharmacide, you’re not really. I mean, you are changing people in a way, you’re helping them feel better with medicine, you know, and it’s important for the right people, but it wasn’t changing the root cause. Like, it changed my brother. And so we decided to just be crazy and leave our corporate careers and. Yeah, never looked back.

Connie Zack [00:06:14]:
Never. Never looked back. Never said, we’re gonna go a different direction. We just decided to stay, stay the course and ride. Ride the waves, pardon the pun, the, the high waves and the low waves and just tried to navigate every detour and every bump as it came. And yeah, that’s, that’s the beginning of sunlight. And over 20 plus years ago.

Nick Urban [00:06:40]:
Wow. Would you say there was one particular mechanism or pathway or something that your brother’s transformation occurred through? Of course it’s going to be the synergistic effect of like all the things combined. But then, like, when you mentioned that you chose infrared sauna specifically, was that part of your decision making criteria?

Connie Zack [00:06:59]:
Yeah, because infrared is just, I mean, gosh, don’t get me started. It’s so magical. I mean, it’s such a beautiful source of energy that comes from the sun. And so, I mean, our bodies, we have to have sunlight, we have to have the sun’s energy to survive. Right. Plants have to have sun, photosynthesis. I mean, there’s all of these different types of processes that need the sun to survive. And infrared is one of those energies.

Connie Zack [00:07:34]:
And I mean, for example, like babies, like, you know, they, when they’re in a hospital, they are warmed with infrared lights. So because it mimics the mother’s womb and it provides this experience that’s safe and gentle and natural and it’s not excessive. So as far as, to answer your question, as far as, like, what really helped him, I think it was the detox pathways. Right? Like he there, you know, infrared helps work with your body and all of the detox pathways. It’s not just sweat, it’s also with your liver and your other mechanisms. And, you know, he did it, he started slow and just worked. You know, first it was like once every other day, maybe maybe even, not even, maybe even like three, two to three times a week. And then, you know, 10 minutes and then just kept working in with it, trying to increase the time and, and do it longer.

Connie Zack [00:08:27]:
And I think he also probably had. We didn’t know this at the time, but I think he Also probably had some inflammation because physically, he looked different. And once he was healed, he just. He just looked. I mean, he looked healthy. So it helped with inflammation. And. And then also, I’m sure.

Connie Zack [00:08:46]:
I’m sure I’ve never really thought about this because it’s, you know, so long ago, and. But I’m sure it helped just with all of his hormones, you know, because your cortisol gets when you’re stressed. And he had lived in it. He lived in this horrible state because he was stressed, because he wasn’t feeling well. So he couldn’t work, he couldn’t. He couldn’t do anything. And from day one, the very first session, he noticed a difference. And, I mean, I know I noticed the difference.

Connie Zack [00:09:15]:
I used to go over his apartment, and I’m like, oh, my gosh, this is, like, crazy, you know? And so then I start. He’s like, you have to get in there. And so I would go in and like, jason, nothing’s happening. He’s like, oh, my gosh, stay in there. I don’t keep coming out. So, I mean, I was very, very skeptical. That’s my nature, is to question and to ask and to poke and to prod and peel and peel and peel and peel. And the more I peeled, gosh, the more meat and the more.

Connie Zack [00:09:46]:
More magic, the more excited I became about this technology and researching it and learning about it. At the beginning, I just knew about what we just generally call infrared, which is really in the far infrared spectrum, but that’s all that really was available to us at the time. And then we just studied, over time, the entire spectrum and all the wavelengths. And so I like, you know. You picked my favorite topic. Yeah, Yeah, I could keep going, but I’ll pause there because I’m sure there’s other things that you want to talk about.

Nick Urban [00:10:18]:
No, we’ll explore some of those, too, because that’s one of the issues I don’t. Or not issues, but topics I haven’t really heard explored as much as it should be in terms of, like, the different bands of infrared, because they’re not all the same. But what I think I’m hearing you say that some of the root cause that infrared therapy addresses is, first of all, like, helping the body detoxify more effectively. When you detoxify, you’re reducing the friction on the body, so everything else tends to work better. And you also are getting a good, healthy dose of infrared. And I like to call it vitamin I because it’s something that is so therapeutic and helpful across the board that you’re really doing two, I mean, multiple more than two, but two major things at the same time.

Connie Zack [00:10:59]:
Exactly. Yes. It’s a beautiful blend. It’s one of the only blends with your body where you can get both active, you know, like sympathetic state as far as the nervous system, also while relaxing the body completely, you know, to go into the sympathetic state or parasympathetic state. Sorry, I said that wrong. So you get this beautiful marriage between the two where you get this active cardiovascular conditioning because your heart rate’s going, you know, you’re exercising while sitting there. It’s an exercise mimetic, which, just that alone, just that one statement of infra being an exercise mimetic lends to an abundance of benefits. Right.

Connie Zack [00:11:46]:
Longevity, heart health, increased flow, increased oxygen, increased cognitive function. I mean, we could go on and on.

Nick Urban [00:11:54]:
Yeah, yeah. There’s so much there. And that’s one of the hotly debated topics is like, which is better, the traditional sauna or the infrared sauna? And with a high quality infrared sauna, you can still get a lot of heat and you also get the wavelengths that you don’t get in a traditional radiant heat sauna.

Connie Zack [00:12:12]:
Yeah. So I, guys, I loved where you were going. You know, is, is you can, you, you can have that heated experience. So it, with infrared you will still get the heat stress, the heat experience that you want. It’s not, the air isn’t going to be as hot as traditional, of course, because that’s what makes traditional traditional. But what’s so incredible is you then now have access. If you decide to go the infrared route, you have access to three other wavelengths of heat and light. And there’s nothing better than being able to combine light energy and heat energy and have that absorbed into your body and penetrating into your cells to ultimately supercharge your entire body.

Connie Zack [00:13:01]:
I mean, it’s just, it’s, it’s so much more than heat. I mean, heat is just one dimension. Right. I mean this is like a multi dimensional, you know, like the greatest supplement pill in the world without any fillers. Yeah, yeah.

Nick Urban [00:13:18]:
All right. I remember what I was going to say. When I enjoy a good hard workout, I enjoy really hot temperatures too. But you mentioned that infrared, it is like a paradox in a way because you’re getting the sympathetic like fight and flight go mode and you’re also getting the rest and digest parasympathetic mode at the same time. But when I’m in a really hot 200 degree traditional heat sauna, I don’t think I’m getting nearly as much of the rest and relaxation because the heat is so intense that it’s hard to imagine that I’m actually getting any of the recharging at the same time.

Connie Zack [00:13:53]:
Yeah. And the recharge is really important. And that’s such a great point. I’m glad you remembered it because you get more energy when you’re finished with an infrared sauna than you do with a traditional sauna. And I’m not one. I am so about not judging people to do whatever that they want. So that’s probably the last thing I will say about traditional saunas. But what’s, what’s important is the fact that you want to be able to have more energy.

Connie Zack [00:14:26]:
You don’t want to feel exhausted when you’re done or zapped. You know, and sometimes if I’ve spent all day at the beach and you’re outside in the heat or, you know, a really long run, shorter runs, don’t, don’t exhaust me. But there’s times when you can do something that’s so extreme and you, your body is just zapped. And what I love about infrared is it still provides all of the healing benefits to your body. And then when you’re done, you feel more energized than you felt before you went in there.

Nick Urban [00:15:00]:
Yeah, there’s a researcher, I believe his name is Arturo Haynes, and he talks about humans being photo heteroautrophs, meaning that we can actually derive some of our daily energy needs directly from light. And I believe it’s the infrared spectrum that he’s referring to.

Connie Zack [00:15:15]:
Oh, that’s fascinating. I’ll have to, I’ll have to search him. Haynes. Arthur Haynes. Is that what you said?

Nick Urban [00:15:21]:
Yeah, I think it’s Arturo Haynes. It’s either Arthur Haynes or Arturo Haynes.

Connie Zack [00:15:24]:
Yeah, yeah, I’ll have to check, check that out.

Nick Urban [00:15:26]:
And then my other question around the difference between infrared saunas and traditional saunas is like, is the reason that there is so much more information and research on the traditional saunas because they’ve been around for a lot longer. Like the infrared technology is much newer.

Connie Zack [00:15:39]:
I think there’s a couple of reasons. I mean, one, yes, you know, I mean, that’s when you talk about ancient. I mean, emperor is ancient too. At the sun. Right. So they’re both ancient, but the Finnish population, I mean, what is this stat? This is so mind blowing. There are more saunas in Finland than cars. I think that is the stat which just blows my mind.

Connie Zack [00:16:12]:
You know, we’re not at the point yet where we can say there’s More sunlight and saunas in people’s homes than cars. So, I mean, that just. That stat and the fact that there are so many just shows you the history and there’s just so much experience and extensiveness. And so as a result, whenever you have something that’s been used for that long, it’s really easy to do a retrospective analysis on the population. There’s a lot of those articles and studies out because they had access to it. Infrared is not as new as people think it is. It’s just become noisier lately. Which is the best noise to my ears.

Connie Zack [00:17:06]:
You know, it makes me super happy. It was crickets when we were in the basement in Cincinnati, Ohio. Just like sheer crickets. Like, the phone never rang. When the phone rang, we would all like, how exciting. You know, hopefully it’s not somebody trying to get to collect a bill. So, anyway, so I think. I think, yeah, I think it’s experience.

Connie Zack [00:17:31]:
I think it’s. It’s the fact that they were able to do so many, you know, analysis and so. So much studying of the data, because it was all there. You know, I think that’s another reason. And. And that. That the population, the Finnish population. So that’s just a fascinating story, right? There’s just not.

Connie Zack [00:17:50]:
If you think about United States, you know, you can’t. There’s. I don’t know, I’m trying to think of a habit. I’m trying to think of a culture piece that’s so dominating, you know, in their culture. And I can’t. I’m sure there is, but I can’t think of anything off the top of my head. But in Finland it is. You know, I remember.

Connie Zack [00:18:11]:
Switch. Quick tangent. One of our first hires after we moved to Kansas City. Her name was Joey. And Joey, I sure hope you’re listening because this just brings smile to my face. And she walked in to our office. I mean, we only had, you know, eight or nine people at that time. And she put her notebook down and she said to Aaron and myself, she’s like, you.

Connie Zack [00:18:37]:
You both have to hire me. We’re like, what? She’s like, I saw ads. You’re hiring for, you know, customer care. You’re hiring for receptionist, you’re hiring for sales. Any of those jobs I will do as well as any other job that you need me to do because I’m from Finland and saunas are the way of life. And I’ve been researching and reading about what you guys have done and your brother’s story and how infrared is a way to be. You Know, healthier and healthier energy and the science behind just the way the energy works with the body at a lower temperature. And she’s like, I.

Connie Zack [00:19:17]:
This is. I have to have this in my life, and I have to be a representative so that, you know, it was just. I’ll never forget that moment. I just looked at it. I was like, okay, well, let’s get to know you a little bit. And then we could talk. And the end of the story is we did hire her, and she ended up retiring from sunlight. And so.

Nick Urban [00:19:35]:
How cool. Let’s take one step backward. For people who aren’t familiar with infrared, how would you describe it? Simply?

Connie Zack [00:19:43]:
Simply. I would describe it as when you’re outside, so think about a cloudy day. And it’s actually really helpful when you think about this example, to think about, like, multiple cloudy days that in a row, you know, and all of a sudden, the sun peeks out of the clouds and you’re outside, and you feel those rays connect with your body. And your body, when it receives those. Those sun. The sunlight ways, your body just is, like, craving it. It’s like, oh, my gosh, that feels so good. Suns just stay there.

Connie Zack [00:20:28]:
Don’t go back in the clunk. And so everybody’s had that feeling. I mean, I’d been at soccer games. You know, my kids grew up playing soccer, still play soccer. And, you know, in the fall and winter, it would get cold and cloudy. And so, I mean, we would just. Aaron. I would last sitting on the sidelines because the sun would come out, and people are like, oh, God, that feels so good.

Connie Zack [00:20:50]:
Oh, my gosh. And they would, like, lean their head back, and they would, like, put their face, you know, towards the sun. And that’s the simplest way of explaining what does infrared feel like. It’s this gentle radiant energy that connects with your body, and it makes you feel as though you’re getting this huge hug all the way around you, and you just want more.

Nick Urban [00:21:14]:
Yeah. I’m starting to think that it probably has some of the same benefits of, like, the SAD seasonal affective disorder lamps, where it’s like a mood boost and a lot of other things going on in the body. Because I know that when I’ve been in the dark for a while and then had exposure to infrared, all of a sudden it’s like night and day, like a light flipped.

Connie Zack [00:21:33]:
Yeah, it does have. And I have heard countless. In fact, I just heard the story. I did a presentation for sunlight. And what was that two weeks ago? And it was like that day because somebody asked about sad. And I was like, oh my gosh. So I just ran into somebody who said, hey, I really have bad seasonal, you know, disorders. I’m really, really affected by winter and I’m affected by light and, and ever since I started using a sunlight and sauna, I, I feel great and I don’t have that, that, you know, anxiety and that depression that I had in previous years.

Connie Zack [00:22:13]:
So it really does help.

Nick Urban [00:22:15]:
All right, so you mentioned infrared. What that is at like a base level. Then there’s also a difference between a near amid and a far infrared sauna or emitter. What is the difference there?

Connie Zack [00:22:28]:
Yes. So this is when we talk about the entire spectrum and I’ll break it down, but yet keep it still high level because I can go really sciency and really geeky, but I’m just going to go high level. So infrared spectrum is a spectrum within the sun spectrum. The majority of the sun’s rays are in the infrared spectrum. There are no UV rays, no gamma like, no outside rays that can harm you. It’s all, all parts of the infrared spectrum are natural and healing and safe. So in the far infrared part of the spectrum, those waves are received by the body and felt through heat. And far infrared is, is.

Connie Zack [00:23:17]:
It’s claimed to fame and there’s a lot of them, but it is, it heats up the core temperature. So it gives that state of hermesis, you know, and gives that heat stress and helps with heart health and that’s that. Those were all the studies I was reading back, you know, when I was doing the research for my brother. And it’s also great for depression and for helping with sleep and helping reduce inflammation. Then there’s mid infrared, which is like right next to far on the spectrum and that’s a shorter wavelength. So the reason I say shorter, why does that matter? Because when you shorten a wavelength, you, it becomes a hotter experience. So far, infrared is the longest and it’s felt. It’s really the felt like the, it’s heat, but it’s the coolest part of the heat, if that makes sense.

Connie Zack [00:24:14]:
It’s not as excessively high. Say that sounds better than the other thing I just said. So then mid is right next door. And mid is great for being a synergistic wavelength with far. So it’s great for burning calories, it helps for circulation, helps with weight loss, it helps, you know, reducing inflammation at the joints and the tissues, so it helps the pain relief. And then the next two are light energy so you can get near by heat, but you, you can’t get enough of it because the wavelength is so hot when it gets so, for example, like the filament sometimes of a light bulb, like the filament, the very, very. That’s within the near infrared. So but you can’t get a high enough quantity to transform your cells.

Connie Zack [00:25:10]:
So what we did is we took the science behind near infrared and converted it into LEDs. So it’s light energy that’s received by the cells. It penetrates the skin. Near infrared penetrates the skin the deepest to transform the skin. It’s really, I call it the vanity wavelength because it’s the best at making your skin look so fabulous. On far infrared is the best making your skin look great on the inside because it helps detoxify the body from the inside out. And then red light right next door is visible. The difference between red and near is red is visible and near is not.

Connie Zack [00:25:50]:
Red doesn’t go as deep, near goes the deepest. And they’re really, they’re. They help to boost collagen, elastin, they help with cellulites, they help with inflammation. Huge, huge inflammation markers, help with sleep, they help with your immune system. All of them, all of the parts of the infrared wavelength help the body at different levels. And that’s why when I say it’s this multidimensional like supplement, you know, it’s just so much, there’s just so much more to it than heat.

Nick Urban [00:26:21]:
Yeah, that’s a great way of putting it. And then for mitochondria, is that more of a near infrared like application, but mitochondria.

Connie Zack [00:26:30]:
I can love my mitochondria conversations so far. Far. All, all of them. We’ll just make it simple. All of the wavelengths impact mitochondria and in different ways. But what’s so great is that that the way infrared impacts mitochondria is significantly like helping produce more engines. You know, when they get, when you, mitochondria get tired and weak and decide like they’re just not going to produce the energy, then infrared helps to, you know, supercharge them and produce more. So it’s.

Connie Zack [00:27:08]:
The mitochondrial function is one of the hallmarks of aging. And infrared significantly helps impact mitochondrial health.

Nick Urban [00:27:18]:
If you could only choose one of the two therapies to add to your routine, would you choose full spectrum infrared or red light therapy?

Connie Zack [00:27:26]:
I would choose what I call four in one therapy because full spectrum to me means something a little bit different. We have a full spectrum sauna in amplify, which is where you provide the full, you provide the full spectrum. All at once. My favorite is to separate and isolate each wavelength, which is what we have done at impulse Asana that’s behind me. It’s the sauna that I have at home. And provide far infrared completely independently and separately than mid infrared and near infrared completely separately and independent of red light. And then we have the opportunity when you isolate them and make them independent and maximize their output. Number one, you’re getting the highest quantity of infrared at each wavelength that’s positive that you can’t, you can’t get more infrared anywhere than in a sunlight and than any, any sunlight sauna because we’ve maximized the output.

Connie Zack [00:28:30]:
But then you also have the opportunity when you isolate to be able to have programs where you could blend them together and you can, you know, play with. Okay, so, you know, today I want to do the pain relief program, which is a completely different experience than, you know, the, the cardio program, which is a completely different experience than the anti aging program. But that you can do that because you’ve se out the wavelengths. So it’s kind of like a recipe where, you know, you’re, you’re, you’re not doing like there’s these, there’s these barbecue blends, right, that just have all the, like the rubs, they have them all. You know, we’re in Kansas City, folks, so we’re all, all things barbecue here. So they have the rubs, which is a blend of everything together. So you know, I put, even in cooking, I like to separate out my salt and pepper and smoked paprika and everything so that I know exactly how much I’m getting of each one. You know, do different.

Connie Zack [00:29:23]:
Another analogy is like shampoo and conditioner. I don’t think anybody uses that anymore. But that, there was a time where people, you know, that was a big thing. And in my opinion, it’s just more, it’s better to separate the shampoo from the conditioner.

Nick Urban [00:29:39]:
Yeah, that makes sense. And so with your standard infrared sauna, I’d assume that they’re mostly far infrared. And obviously you’re not able to separate the different wavelengths the within that and then build custom programs. And so that’s one of the interesting things about sunlight and.

Connie Zack [00:29:54]:
Correct. Yeah, you’re the standard, the standard infrared. Sometimes it’s far, sometimes it’s more in the mid range. You just, you have to measure the surface temperature. It’s not something a customer is ever going to want to do. You know, they’re just going to, they’re just, you know, take it, you know, at face value. But what, what we have done even in our far infrared collection, which is fantastic. I mean, that’s how we started the company.

Connie Zack [00:30:28]:
So my goodness, I could never ever scoff at our far infrared saunas because we wouldn’t, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t be here, you know, but that the far infrared alone, without any additional wavelengths, that is an excellent place to start. If you can’t do the four in one. If you can’t do impulse, I get that a hundred percent. I always recommend. My first, first recommendation is the Solo, which is a lie down portable unit. So easy. Plug and play, 67 pounds all in, like completely easy to put anywhere. And it has the most amount of farm fret available.

Connie Zack [00:31:07]:
So that’s something that we got, we developed a patent on early on. One of the greatest things we did, we did a lot of not so great things, but one of the greatest things is we figured out how to master the emissions of infrared. Meaning, let me say it, an easier way that people understand. We figured out a way to get the maximum output into people’s body and then we patented it. So you can’t get more anywhere else, more infrared energy into your body than at a sunlight and sauna. And it can be the sun, the sunlight and Solo, you can start there. Does that make sense? So you don’t have to go all the way to the four in one. You’d be, I mean, really, the solo is enough because far infrared, that part of the spectrum gives you the lion’s share of all the benefits.

Connie Zack [00:31:59]:
So it’s the, I call far infrared the foundation of infrared. Like if I was only going to do one and. Well, that’s not true. If I was only going to do one, I’d do four in one. So I can’t, I have to be true. That’s one of my biggest values that sunlighten is to be true. So I don’t even know how to rephrase that. But solo, if, if somebody said I, I can only afford X, you know, this, that, like, I can’t go anything over, then I would say, you know, get the Solo system.

Nick Urban [00:32:30]:
You keep saying 4 and 1. Is that like, what is that specifically? Because I thought there was far, mid and near.

Connie Zack [00:32:36]:
That’s also including red.

Nick Urban [00:32:37]:
Oh, okay. Including red. Of course. You want all of them together?

Connie Zack [00:32:40]:
Yes, yes. Yeah. For years, like when we launched Impulse, we launched it with far, mid and near. Exactly what you just said. And then based on consumer, you know, interest, and we went back to the drawing board and then we added in the near infrared as well into the panels and we change the programs. And I mean, you know, basically started over, but it was important to provide, you know, now you. That we’ve done it. Like, we’ve included every single aspect of.

Connie Zack [00:33:14]:
Of infrared into the sauna. And then we have the programs and six different programs which are, which are awesome.

Nick Urban [00:33:22]:
You said that you have a patent on being able to get the most infrared into the body possible. Since it’s a patent, can you explain, like, what that even really means? Like, you’re able to say, emit infrared, and then I’m guessing you’re not applying like some kind of gel or something that changes the dynamics of the infrared once it hits the body. It has to do with, like, the way it’s actually emitted.

Connie Zack [00:33:43]:
Yes, it’s exactly right. You nailed it. It has to do with the way it’s emitted. It has to do with the materials that we use in the emitter that ensure that you’re getting the specifics are you’re getting 99% infrared. So you want. You can’t get 100%. That’s impossible. And so we started off back in the basement, or maybe right after the basement with 95.

Connie Zack [00:34:16]:
And then we worked for, let’s call it four or five years to figure out how to change the materials to increase the quantity so that we could get as close to perfect, which is a hundred, which. You can’t get as close to that as possible.

Nick Urban [00:34:33]:
Yeah. Okay.

Connie Zack [00:34:33]:
So did that help?

Nick Urban [00:34:34]:
Yeah, it doesn’t, I’m assuming. So if you were to compare different saunas and you were to see one that, say, is. I don’t know how it’s measured, like the specific, like the tech spec, but it was like say 1200 watt sauna A versus 1200 watt sunlightened. Because of the technology there, you’re actually getting a higher percentage, even though if it looks the same on paper, into the body.

Connie Zack [00:34:55]:
Yeah. Most of the other infrared saunas out there have more convectional heat in their emitters. So you’re not getting. You’re not harnessing the sun the way we are harnessing the sun. You know, we’re not. I mean, we have found a way to filter out anything that’s not in that target zone and get that into the cabin and into the body. So that’s what’s magical and special about sunlighten’s technology. Other ones you would have to go in and you’d have.

Connie Zack [00:35:33]:
It’s too deep to go into the science of how you would measure that. We have done. That’s one of the first things we did when we could afford it was, you know, we purchased other companies, emitters so we could figure out like we didn’t know, you know, like, so what, what, what is the, what do people use and what, how much is emit and like what are, what are we dealing with? Is everybody the same? Or, and, and then that’s when we found, you know, it’s one of the greatest myths out there is people like, oh, infrared is infrared. And it’s could not, could not be farther from the truth. It is. I mean, when people say that, I think, well, if you really believe that, like, then just go outside because that’s infrared. Right. But you know, I mean, how long is it going to take you to detoxify the body and to change, you know, change your, your cells and I mean, you know, it’s.

Connie Zack [00:36:28]:
Infrared is, is. It’s a very, I mean it’s scientific, it’s energy. It’s energy medicine. Right? It’s, I mean there’s, there’s frequencies no different than water. And in our body, I mean we’re body, or like an entire body of cells and energy. And so there’s, there’s tipping points. There’s frequencies that you need to hit in order to absorb. Otherwise it’s, it’s discarded.

Connie Zack [00:36:53]:
Right. It’s, you know, same thing with nutrition. And this is just a different type. And it’s more complicated, I think, for people to understand because it’s heat. And so, and people have grown up with just the concept of, well, heat is hot air. It’s connected to a temperature when it gets, you know, north of 85 degrees, outside 90 degrees, it’s hot. And it’s a very simple thing. So they just think, okay, well now we’re talking about infrared, which is a type of heat, so it must be just all infrareds the same, which it’s not.

Nick Urban [00:37:29]:
If we could see infrared, if infrared was part of the visible light spectrum, how do you think that would change the perception around saunas?

Connie Zack [00:37:35]:
Oh my goodness. I think it’s, I think it’s be game changing. It’s like red light. Red light is a perfect example, as if you could see because people gravitate to it even though red light does not penetrate as far as near infrared. I mean, if you, if you can only pick one, you should pick near because near infrared goes deeper and, and it has. I mean, there’s more science and I mean it’s been around, I mean they’ve both been around for a long time, but people gravitate to red because they can see it. It Makes perfect sense, right? If you can’t see it, then it’s hard for people to think that it exists. I mean, like back in the day when I was at P and G, when we were working with the pharmacology team to develop the color of pills, there was such a science to that because people, like, if it was clear, people thought it didn’t work, you know, or if it was white.

Connie Zack [00:38:36]:
I mean, seriously, like, it was like we chose, we had a, we had a cold tablet that they chose to make it red and people thought, oh, wow, this is so powerful.

Nick Urban [00:38:46]:
Yeah, that’s interesting. I would think that red would have a negative connotation and something like green or blue might be, like, considered healthier or like more pure or something. Maybe white as well. I never even thought about how much consideration goes into the coloring of medications.

Connie Zack [00:39:03]:
I know, it was fascinating to me. I mean, I love that stuff. You know, I was just fascinated when they would come back and like, okay, we’re choosing this color based on, you know, market research. And we did this intense survey and this was, you know, their response. I’m like, oh my gosh, I never, I never look at the color of any tablet. Like, I would never even, you know, if I had a prescription, I might. I mean, I’m just so loyal. Like, if my doctor says, connie, you need to take this, you know, I would take it and I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t even pay attention to the, you know, the color of the medication.

Connie Zack [00:39:36]:
So. But everybody’s different.

Nick Urban [00:39:38]:
Speaking of like the intangibles, you can’t see infrared with the naked eye at least. And also another thing you can’t see, that is a concern of a lot of people when it comes to saunas. And specifically infrared saunas is non native electromagnetic fields or emfs or electrosmog as it’s sometimes called. I know that when you were building sunlight and that was one of the things that you took into consideration to really make sure that you weren’t exposing to people to high levels that possibly would negatively impact their session results.

Connie Zack [00:40:07]:
Yes, that’s very important to us. And it was very. I’m going to give the why factor because this may help people understand. It was very important to us. Well, there’s really two reasons. One is because of my, my brother making sure that, you know, as we developed products, we developed the healthiest products, right? Because he was in that mess in the first place because he had something that was unhealthy in his body. So that was one reason. The other one, the really the voluminous one was all these people that we were had the privilege of connecting with to provide, you know, sunlight and saunas to.

Connie Zack [00:40:49]:
They were really, really sick. I mean, we dealt with the sickest of the sickest that had tried everything and nothing worked, you know, and I mean, that was our audience back then in the basement. And so we really wanted to make sure that we went the extra mile to protect and shield the wires and develop materials whenever we worked the manufacturer. Like, okay, this, these are non negotiables, like here’s the things that matter to us, you know, the wood, the, you know, the glue factor, the things that put things on us together, you know, the emfs. And so it’s always been that way. It was been that way at the very beginning. And it’s something that we’ve continued and I’m happy to say that. What was it, I think it was during COVID was when we hit the jackpot and we finally figured out how to make Impulse which has the four, you know, wavelengths and that also had the, you know, highest field of course, because you had more technology in there.

Connie Zack [00:41:54]:
But we finally found a way to make the EMF non existent. So yay.

Nick Urban [00:41:58]:
Yeah. And even if someone’s not sick, there’s no reason you don’t get extra benefits from exposing yourself to those fields. So it’s like you might as well shield yourself from it. Regardless of how electro hypersensitive syndrome esque you are.

Connie Zack [00:42:12]:
Yeah, good point. I totally agree. Might as well protect yourself versus exposing then that you have to heal.

Nick Urban [00:42:20]:
I know with really hot temperatures, you want to be careful of the things that come into contact with them. I used to make my coffee and I would use a. I’d pour the hot coffee into a plastic Vitamix. And then I realized one day it’s probably not a good idea. Even if they it’s supposedly heat resistant. I might still be leaching microplastics and nanoplastics and all that stuff. What about the wood and other things that are used in sauna construction? How important is it that those are resistant to not just necessarily heat, but also in this case like infrared light?

Connie Zack [00:42:51]:
It’s really important. And I mean I can. If people don’t believe me, like you reach out to me. I have so many stories from people, so many stories. I mean, woods are so toxic that there’s a toxic wood chart. So I mean, like if that’s not enough people to understand the importance of choosing the right wood. Oh my goodness. I mean, I don’t know what is, but we, that was, that was such a, that was such a passion project back in the basement.

Connie Zack [00:43:27]:
And, and, and once we got out of the basement was making sure that we always had always chose woods that when you’re in there and the heat you start to, you know, feel it, it doesn’t cause some type of off gassing or some type of negative reaction. And I will tell you that that is a challenge. And I, I am, this is a stickler for me. This is a point where I mean I, I don’t typically say, you know, I really try and keep my, all my comments positive but you know, somebody starts to, to say, hey, I’m looking at X type of wood or you know, whatever Y type of wood. I mean I just let them know like here’s the ones that I know for sure. Yeah, there’s problems with. And then you have a lot of the veneers, right. That have plastic on there and you like and shine.

Connie Zack [00:44:23]:
I mean they’re, oh my goodness, they’re so a lot of companies when they’ve tried to make it pretty have taken the healthy part out of it. And that’s something we’ve tried to make sure we keep that in because I.

Nick Urban [00:44:35]:
Always looked at that and like, okay, it seems like there’s a handful of woods that are safe for use in saunas. Why wouldn’t everyone use those same woods? Why isn’t like an industry best practice that everyone follows? But then I guess if you’re trying to cut on costs and you’re trying to make the prettiest thing possible with the least amount of spend, you’re gonna, I mean you, not you. But some less than scrupulous manufacturers might choose those other woods and just hope that no one notices that they’re off gassing.

Connie Zack [00:45:02]:
Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s all cost. I mean it’s 100%. Because you know, basswood, for example, one of the woods we use, it’s extremely expensive wood is so especially the type of wood that we use, our wood is so thick and I mean, yeah, it’s, then that’s, it’s expensive. Our process is extremely expensive. But we feel that it’s, it’s important our customers care and we want to provide a product that not only is healthy, but it’s also going to last.

Nick Urban [00:45:33]:
Yeah. Are there other areas when it comes to sauna construction son of manufacturing that people don’t realize are actually very important? They just overlook thinking, oh yeah, that’s a line item that doesn’t actually matter that much. So I’m just going to choose something else that doesn’t have that line item.

Connie Zack [00:45:48]:
Sure. I think the space inside people, a lot of times this is an area where I’ve had the greatest amount of positive feedback over the years because I’ve been so consistent in my advice. And my advice always is get the biggest sauna that you can fit. You know, and people don’t naturally think that way. They just think I’m just going to get into something, get like a phone booth, stop, you know, size. And I’m just, you know, I’m only in there, you know, 30 minutes, it’ll be fine. And that’s really not the, that’s just that that’s, that’s not good for so many reasons. I mean, this is, this is your time to focus on healing your body and letting your body receive this magical energy and getting all of these tremendous transformation, transformational benefits.

Connie Zack [00:46:41]:
Right. And so you want to be able to be comfortable when you’re in there and you know, to be able to relax and you don’t have to necessarily lie all the way down, but at least be able to lie a little bit, you know, and relax. So size is an area that people don’t, they kind of dismiss and they don’t think it’s that important. It is, it is important. I would just say paying attention to all of the materials used. And that’s because here’s the deal. When you’re not in charge of the manufacturing process, a manufacturer can use whatever materials that they want that they will choose, let me say a different way. They will use the lowest cost materials, get paired in a story.

Connie Zack [00:47:31]:
And that’s just, especially in today’s day and age because it’s, I mean it’s always been that way, but today is just a little bit different. And so when you’re not in control, so sunlightness control of every part of our process. We do all the research about, we do, we just do, we do the whole process. And so we know, we choose actually our materials that we’re going to use inside the sauna. Right. And so we know like everything and that’s really important because it’s not, it’s, it’s more than just a box, you know, and you’re, and you’re also heating up, you know, this Pete, this piece of equipment. And so you want to make sure that it’s safe and natural and. Yeah, so, so give just, yeah, give extra thoughts to the materials.

Connie Zack [00:48:18]:
You know, the, the company that stands behind it is it, you know, a wellness company. It Always freaks me out. Some of these. Some of these people that are. I’m like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, yeah.

Nick Urban [00:48:32]:
I’m not going to say any names, but there are certain companies out there where it’s like, you see the name of the brand and it’s like a bunch of random letters and a couple numbers thrown in there. I’m like, what is. Is this actually a real brand? Is it. Does it actually really exist? Or is it just a seller that puts parts online and hopes that you don’t notice that it’s not even a real, real brand?

Connie Zack [00:48:50]:
Right. Yeah, it’s very interesting. It’s, you know, business. It’s something I love to do, so I just kind of, you know, smile and go my separate way.

Nick Urban [00:49:01]:
Yeah. Was there any particular engineering or scientific breakthrough that was part of sunlight and that you’re most proud of?

Connie Zack [00:49:11]:
Do you mind if I answer this with multiple answers? So. Because my, like, my head, it’s exploding right now with all the different things, so I won’t give all of them. But the first one that comes to mind, that where we took so many arrows in the back, you know, I mean, it’s one thing to be a pioneer, but, man, it gets. It gets old, you know, being just attacked all the time. But it’s when we switched from using. So we used to have the Solo, which has our carbon emitters, and that’s the one that. Where we figured out we. With the.

Connie Zack [00:49:53]:
Without those emitters, we figured out how to give the highest quantity, 99% of infrared. Okay. So that was the foundation of that. And then in our wooden cabins, at the same time, we had. Let’s just call it ceramic emitters. That did not. They couldn’t even get close to that because the wavelength was too hot and you couldn’t get the temperature to stay lower, which. The lower temperature is what gives the higher emissions.

Connie Zack [00:50:22]:
So we decided that we had an ethical. It was a point in our business where we need to do the right thing. This, like, the wooden cabin with the ceramic emitters was the most popular. Like, we didn’t sell that many solos, but it was. The solo was more therapeutic. Hands down. I could. That’s a separate podcast that we could talk about, but we.

Connie Zack [00:50:53]:
So we decided to go out on a limb and say, you know what? We need to do the right thing and we need to be consistent. We can’t have some products that are more effective than other ones. Like, that just ethically does not feel right. Because when people would ask me, I would just flat out say, I’m Like, I want the most therapeutic. I said, get the solo, then that’s the most, you know. Anyway, so we figured out how to take the solo heaters, which are a carbon element, and put them into wooden cabins. And I, I can’t even tell you how challenging a, the process was, but once we actually figured it all out and bring it to market and show, Showing it on a website, all of a sudden you see this wooden cabin with black carbon walls and that they’d never seen before. People were like, what in the world is this? You know, so anyway, but that was.

Connie Zack [00:51:55]:
Started the foundation. I’m super, super proud. We went and did the right thing and we stayed true to our values. And then I have a ton of them, but I’ll just skip through, I’ll skip through a lot of the ones along the way and then I’ll get to really that, you know, the champion of, of inventions, which was inventing how to put far infrared, mid infrared and near infrared independently into account. So we patented that. We have the patent on two or more independent wavelengths in the cabin. And that was also extremely challenging. But man, that’s just been our flagship.

Connie Zack [00:52:37]:
And I always say Impulse is a unicorn, you know, and it’s, it, it’s just a beautiful product and provides beautiful results. So proud of all of those. But I will say, like, for people who are listening, especially people in the business world, I would have a hard time to hear if somebody said that great success and pride through the roof only comes when you are low and you work through some major obstacles. You have to have pain before pride. And so I don’t know if there’s anybody listening that’s thinking about doing their own business or in a business, but if you’re experiencing pain, like, this is one of those time where you do want to, like, keep leaning into the pay and, you know, and, and power through because there is, there is, you know, potentially greatness on the other side.

Nick Urban [00:53:31]:
Yeah. And it shows because the sauna space has gotten increasingly competitive over the years and there’s few companies that are continuously innovating on it. And I’m sure, as you mentioned, when you’re taking arrows to the back, it gets difficult to wonder why am I putting all this money into R and D and actually trying to change the industry and make it better when I can just copy everyone else and not have to take these risks.

Connie Zack [00:53:53]:
Yeah, yeah, I know, we thought about that. You know, we, I mean, I, I have said, I don’t know how many times I’ve said to myself and to My children, you know, flattery. Our imitation is the best form of flattery, you know, and I. I not lying if I’m not tired of saying that.

Nick Urban [00:54:10]:
What do you personally do in your own routine? Are you doing anything to amplify the results either before, during your session or after?

Connie Zack [00:54:17]:
Oh, I love that question. So, yes, and I will tell you that it also changes based on, you know, not literally what season, but, like, what. See what’s going on in my life, you know, so right now I am in the season of efficiency and habit stacking. Like two, you know, habit stacking on steroids. I mean, it is. I’m having so much fun with it. And so I’m doing meditation. I was thinking what I do this morning.

Connie Zack [00:54:52]:
Meditation, like four, seven, eight, breathing. So breath work, doing some visualization, intention setting. Those are kind of my. Those are my current things. I mean, I’ve done. I’ve done yoga inside my sauna. I always, always, always. This is about.

Connie Zack [00:55:21]:
I mean, never not had water in there. People ask me a lot about that. Like, would you. Where you do bring your water in and yeah, it’s always with me. So that’s some examples of the things. That’s a great question. And that’s a question. Like, I encourage people who are listening and who have their own, you know, routines and their own things that are working for them to share that.

Connie Zack [00:55:48]:
I would love to hear what you do inside your sunlight and sauna. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:55:51]:
And also, like, it’s a great time to relax and unwind, whether it’s to start the day and, like, getting that right headspace to start the day. Or it’s at the end of the day taking a moment of like, no simulation, like no podcast and not even this one. No books, nothing. Like just complete silence meditation. If you want visualization, all that kind of stuff. To me, it’s like a very nice, like, check end of the chapter, beginning of the chapter, either before or at the end of the day. In terms of, like, dosing, do you recommend. What do you see working best for Sunlight customers? Are you seeing that every day for X amount of time, or is it totally bio individual?

Connie Zack [00:56:29]:
It’s bio individual. The thing that is the same is consistency is the most important piece. And I always say consistency beats intensity every day of the week. So if you can be consistent and even being consistent at a smaller amount of time, that’s better than one time a week at 45 minutes. So I would rather see somebody give 15 minutes every day. Man, that would be amazing. But I know that that’s hard. I mean, it’s hard for me to do as well.

Connie Zack [00:57:05]:
So, I mean, if you could do 15 to 20 minutes a couple times a week, and once you start doing that, you’ll realize that it’s just like any habit that you enjoy to do, you figure out how to do it more, you know, because you enjoy it. Your, your body enjoys it. That’s the most important part. And whenever your body enjoys something, then, you know, your brain, like, it’s like, oh, I want to do that more. So ideally work up to 30 to 40 minutes. 40 minutes is the sweet spot. And a couple times a week at 40 minutes would be, you know, would be awesome.

Nick Urban [00:57:46]:
Do you hear of people, like, intentionally doing it either before a workout or after a workout to say, like, keep their heart rate elevated for longer or to, I guess, warm up faster? And also, like, if you’re, if you just come from a workout and you go straight into the sauna, you’ll probably start sweating faster and perhaps get the benefits in less than. Less time than you would otherwise.

Connie Zack [00:58:05]:
Yeah, that’s my favorite. My favorite is what you. The last, the last example, my favorite is for go for a run or go for a vigorous walk and then to get in the sauna. That’s. That is like the perfect, perfect way to exercise because your heart rate stays up. You know, you can program it on your watch so you can pay attention to information and, and then you can also monitor. So say you did that, then you can pay attention to. If you monitor your sleep scores and you can monitor your sleep score and you can see the days that you sauna, you know, you probably are going to have a better sleep score.

Nick Urban [00:58:43]:
What do you see in terms of, like, the results people get? Like, do you see increased hrv, decreased hrv, better sleep score, any change in biological age that you’ve heard reported?

Connie Zack [00:58:52]:
Aliyah But Dr. Mark Hyman is probably the best example of biological age. I mean, he’s been a sunlight and customer since 2005. So this is our 20th year working with Dr. Hyman, and he’s used, you know, our sauna for 20 years. And his biological clock. This was the last time I was with him. What was it? It was like 23 years, I think younger than his chronological age.

Connie Zack [00:59:20]:
So he’s a pretty good role model.

Nick Urban [00:59:23]:
Yeah. And then I think I was looking through your website a while back, I also saw that you guys, like, have actually conducted a study on sunlight and too on, like, pretty much as far as I know. Any other company in the sauna space.

Connie Zack [00:59:34]:
We have done lots of different studies. I shouldn’t say lots, because there have been lots of studies done using Arsanas. We ourselves worked directly with the umkc, University of Missouri, Kansas City, back years ago to do a very robust double blind, placebo controlled randomized trial. And pretty proud of that trial because that’s essentially we did it against a placebo which also had infrared heat because you have to have. It has to be the same experience. Right. But that infrared was not sunlighten’s infrared. So it didn’t have the high absorption, the highest quantity.

Connie Zack [01:00:15]:
And sunlightin was the one that reigned supreme. Yeah.

Nick Urban [01:00:18]:
And what was measured, like, what was the outcome that was measured there? Do you remember?

Connie Zack [01:00:21]:
Quality? Huh? Quality of life scores were measured and then the big, big one was blood pressure. And we statistically significantly lowered blood pressure. We also. There was removal of toxic elements as well. But the big one that caught notice, it was actually the study that got us on the Oprah Winfrey Show. If you want to know a side trivia, it got us on the Oprah Winfrey show because Dr. Oz was the guest host and he had heard about infrared. And then when he saw our study on blood pressure, he was like, oh, my gosh, we have to talk about this.

Nick Urban [01:01:06]:
I really like the quality of life enhancement as well. That’s a cool.

Connie Zack [01:01:09]:
Yeah, yeah, it is. Thanks for bringing that up because I think that is a benefit you get with enlightened that people don’t talk about a lot of, you know, you get focused on some of the more tangible, you know, things. But reality is if you’re, when you’re done, if you just feel better and feel great and feel like I have better quality of life as a result of those, you know, 15, 20, 30 minutes. I mean, my goodness, that’s priceless.

Nick Urban [01:01:39]:
Yeah, exactly.

Connie Zack [01:01:40]:
Right.

Nick Urban [01:01:41]:
I like the other benefits as well, like seeing a reduction in blood pressure or normalization of blood pressure and other markers like that. But ultimately, like, are you having a better life after your sauna session than beforehand? Because, like, that really seems like what it should be about. And then a lot of other stuff are just icing on top.

Connie Zack [01:01:59]:
Exactly. Totally agree.

Nick Urban [01:02:01]:
All right, well, if you were to put your prediction hat on, where do you see the sauna industry going in the next, let’s say, five years, I.

Connie Zack [01:02:09]:
Were to put my prediction hat on. There’s a couple of things. One, I think that the industry is going to really go more to experiences and to really, you know, enhance the experience. I think it’s also going to be more about, like, Your ecosystem and making sure that, you know, your sunlight and sauna is connected to, you know, all of the other things that are important to you. And then where I really would love to see that everything go towards is connecting. Like, we have so much access to data today about our bodies. You know, I do function, health. And So I have 169 biomarkers that I can look at.

Connie Zack [01:02:54]:
I mean, it’s, it’s just mind blowing. But what’s really, what I would love to see is taking all this information that’s out there and connecting it to tactical, actionable steps that we can do to change our lives. And sauna and infrared is definitely one of them. And, you know, being able to easily pull up, you know, like I had reset my, my, my measurements today, this morning and changed my face because I wanted to be able to see different things. And you should be able to see, you know, your HRB connects with your sauna. You know, you had a higher HRV last night because you saunaed. You know, your sleep score is a 95 because you saw like you should be able to see these things so that you know what to do if you’re struggling in certain areas, if you’re struggling with sleep or if you’re struggling with inflammation, if you’re struggling with, you know, your hormones or whatever you’re struggling with, you know, depression, then these are some things that you can adjust to impact that. That’s what I’d like to see.

Nick Urban [01:04:02]:
Yeah, I like that my family has one of the sunlight and saunas. I can’t remember which one off top of my head, but we have the tablet and Zyvin, I was just thinking how cool would it be if you could see like this session correlates to this wearable data. So like after a session it tells you like, what wavelengths that you experienced or like the different parameters of the session, how long it was, and then that all syncs up to Apple Health or Google Health or whatever. And that way you can correlate. Okay. When I do the cardio mode, it improves my HRV and sleep. But then this mode over here is better for detoxification and I improve my function. Health lab markers.

Connie Zack [01:04:37]:
Exactly. Very cool.

Nick Urban [01:04:39]:
Yeah, that’s a great idea. And so hopefully you guys will capitalize on that at some point. But Connie, if people want to check out sunlighten and to follow your work, how do they go about that?

Connie Zack [01:04:47]:
Yeah, go to sunlighten.coms u n l I g h t e n.com just like sunlight with en and we’re also on Instagram and we are on really all social media channels. So you know, follow us now. You can come. I’m also on Instagram as well. So if you want to connect that way, that’s a great way to connect with me. Or I’m also on LinkedIn. You can connect with me there as well. Or you can try and hunt me down at Sunlightened.

Connie Zack [01:05:23]:
That’s a little bit more challenging these days. But I love to connect with people and I love feedback and questions. I mean, my goal in this world is to help people be able to feel better, do more and live fully as a result of what we do at Sunlighted. And so if I can help you navigate that, then makes me happy.

Nick Urban [01:05:47]:
Thanks for that. I will put a link to everything we’ve discussed in the show. Notes for this Episode Connie, thanks for joining us today. And if there’s one last thing that you hope people take away from this interview today, what would that be?

Connie Zack [01:05:59]:
I would say there’s one thing that people take away. I would say that it’s if you haven’t started using infrared yet, I would say it is time to give it a try.

Nick Urban [01:06:14]:
Perfect. Well, Connie, thank you again for joining me today.

Connie Zack [01:06:18]:
Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed it and I really hope that everybody, you know, gleaned some, some insights from listening to this conversation. And I’m always happy to to come back and do more.

Nick Urban [01:06:30]:
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