Advanced Recovery Explained: PEMF, Infrared & Red Light Therapy

Nick Urban [00:00:01]:
You’re listening to High Performance Longevity. The show exploring a better path to optimal health for those daring to live as an outlier in a world of averages. I’m your host, Nick Urban, bioharmonizer, performance coach, and lifelong student of both modern science and ancestral wisdom. Each week we decode the tools, tactics and timeless principles to help you optimize your mind, body and performance span things you won’t find on Google or in your AI tool of choice. From cutting edge biohacks to grounded lifestyle practices, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to look, feel and perform at your best across all of life’s domains. Hey Jake, welcome to the podcast going on.

Jake Ross [00:00:53]:
Nick, it’s good to see you.

Nick Urban [00:00:54]:
Before we get rolling, who are you? Give people a little lay of the land.

Jake Ross [00:00:58]:
My name is Jake and I work with Healthy Line. I run our growth marketing department and I focus on everything from media to web creative and making sure that we’re listening to you guys and providing you guys with the best, highest grade products we possibly can.

Nick Urban [00:01:12]:
You were just telling me offline about some recent affairs going on in the world of sports. Specifically my one of my Favorite teams, the 49ers football American football team. Before we go into that, just to foreshadow what this episode is going to be about for listeners, we’re going to talk about red light therapy, pemf, gemstones, infrared, and a whole lot more. So, Jake, the floor is yours about what’s going on with the 49ers.

Jake Ross [00:01:37]:
Yeah, I mean, it’s very timely and very relevant, especially for me being a lifetime 49ers fans. But you know, as we’ve been kind of organizing time to meet, a lot of information has been coming out and there’s been this viral story about how the Niner stadium and practice field is located next to an electrical substation that’s potentially emitting harmful EMFs. And I just thought it was super relevant right now because a lot of people’s attention are being turned, you know, harmful EMFs, elf waves. And our product is literally geared around offsetting or being able to provide restorative therapy to off put those harmful EMFs. And the reason I thought it was so funny is because right now we’re looking at all these 49ers injuries that have stacked up over the previous years. And then we just start working with an NFL athlete recently, Christian Jones, over at the Arizona Cardinals, and he’s telling us about, hey, I’ve been using your jet Mat to optimize my recovery routine for months now and it’s become an integral part of, you know, my daily get home, lay on the mat. You know, that’s how he uses it. And it’s just very timely right now because as we’re approaching the super bowl during football season, tons of these athletes are entering the off season where they’re going to be thinking about, okay, I’ve got a year of being hit on the field to recover from right now.

Jake Ross [00:03:00]:
And they’re going to be looking for those most innovative therapies and modalities to help them with that. And, you know, I think this viral story of these potentially harmful EMFs is a really good summary of like, hey, you know, these negative effects are out there and here’s are some of those solutions that people are exploring to try to offset that. But yeah. Have you heard anything about this?

Nick Urban [00:03:20]:
I hadn’t heard about the 49ers story specifically. I’ve talked a lot about EMF on the show and a couple episodes recently about them specifically. I think people at this point have possibly heard of emfs. It’s, it’s a growing topic and if they’ve been studying the alternative health world, and I guess it’s going a little more mainstream these days, perhaps the idea of pemf, pulsed electromagnetic frequencies. And that’s like a whole nother topic. And just because it has the electromagnetic frequencies in the name of it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad or dangerous thing.

Jake Ross [00:03:54]:
So pmf, you know, these are extremely low intensity pulse electromagnetic frequencies. They’re provided through a magnetic field that’s provided, you know, over your body. So it’s not invasive. Like, you know, if you were to use a TENS unit or something where you’re putting the pad on your body and then it’s like, you know, stimulating your muscles, you know, it’s very different than that. It’s, it’s a non invasive, extremely low frequency. And that’s why it’s very different from emfs. You know, it’s controlled, it’s timed, it’s pulsed. You know, PMF therapy has been used since the 80s for, you know, high frequency.

Jake Ross [00:04:28]:
PMF has been used for promoting bone health and fracture recovery. You know, and so what we’ve done is we’ve, you know, it’s not the medical grade, you know, high intensity frequencies. But what we’ve done is we’ve taken extremely low frequency waves and we’ve integrated into a product where if you’re using it consistently, you can benefit off of those custom frequencies that you tailor it to. And so the way that you know, a good way that I’ve been thinking about is like emf, you can think of as noise that can be potentially harmful, you know, affect you negatively. Where EMF is more about having these controlled patterns that can help to improve and support your nervous system at a cellular level. And so that’s really the difference there is like, okay, you’re being exposed to all these new EMF ways, potentially harmful frequencies. What are you doing to reset, to come back to balance? What are you doing to offset at that and to provide your, your body that healthy outlet? You know what I mean?

Nick Urban [00:05:22]:
Yeah, that makes sense. And so the idea is that like your WI fi, your Bluetooth, all these devices we have that emit wireless signals, they emit usually radio frequencies if they have a motor, a lot of times magnetic fields and ELFs, like a bunch of different things. And these are done in the name of optimizing speed and technological efficiency, connections and everything versus pmf, which is tuned to support life and biology and not just humans, but also I think the technology stems from like the horse industry, the horse racing industry or something. There’s a lot of. A lot of use there, at least.

Jake Ross [00:05:59]:
Yeah. I mean, you wouldn’t charge your body the same way you charge your phone, right? I think that’s a great way to look at it.

Nick Urban [00:06:05]:
I would hope not.

Jake Ross [00:06:05]:
Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:06:06]:
Yeah. And do they use PMF with plants, like for plant growth or plant repair or anything like that?

Jake Ross [00:06:11]:
No, I haven’t looked into any specific studies or anything in regards to plants. Um, you know, I know that’s very, very popular with animals, especially horses. Pets love our products. Like, you know, so many photos that we get from people of just like chilling on their PMF heating mat with their pet and everything. And pets love them. Plants is really interesting one that I haven’t spent a ton of my time myself because, you know, unfortunately plants aren’t out, you know, purchasing our PEMF mats. So it’s harder to look into plants than, you know, a being applicable to like, humans and animals and stuff. But, you know, there’s tons of brands that have been doing, using this therapy for tons of different research, tons of different studies.

Jake Ross [00:06:53]:
And so I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s not something that I’ve specifically looked into, though.

Nick Urban [00:06:57]:
Yeah, I mean, the simple experiment would be to take a plant and to expose it to pemf. Another control, expose it, nothing. And a third to perhaps WI fi. And I know the WI fi experiments have been done on plants and the growth and what the plants look like and all that kind of.

Jake Ross [00:07:11]:
What are those, what are those findings?

Nick Urban [00:07:13]:
It’s not good. They’re always negative. That it impairs the plant’s growth. And you can just look at that versus the control. And you don’t want to just do one, of course, because it’s not a large enough sample to be relevant. You need to do a bunch of them. But you also can look at outside areas of, like, natural growth around cell towers and things like that. And again, it’s not a perfectly controlled experiment, but a lot of times, like the areas where they put up a cell tower, the plants around it tend to die or tend to experience stunted growth in comparison to what they were before or the other surrounding vegetation that’s a little further away.

Nick Urban [00:07:45]:
And it could all be coincidence, but it seems like these, these typical EMF producing signals or devices are not supportive of life versus pemf, which seems to support it. And it’s because the, the parameters of, like, the actual waves are different.

Jake Ross [00:08:00]:
You know what I think is, you know, really important when we’re talking about all this. I think a lot of people go to the point of, like, okay, how does that even, like, does it make sense to me? Like, make it make sense? You know, I think that this is becoming a very, like, common theme in the space where people are trying to achieve a greater understanding of these things. And as we’ve talked about before, I think what we were trying to do is like, how do we make this accessible in terms of understanding? Understanding, like, what is the accessibility of this information? Understanding, how do you implement it into your daily life to start getting these actual positive effects, you know, And I know that you’ve used a ton of, like, these innovative therapies in your daily routines, and I think it would be helpful, I would love to learn about, like, what does that look like for you in terms of implementing your daily routine, making these types of therapies, like, a habit, and how you’ve kind of extracted those benefits? Because I think what we’re getting is like, this isn’t just, oh, you do it once and all of a sudden it fixes all of your problems. You know, it’s not like a light switch type of thing. It’s something that you embed into your daily routine. You make it essential part of, you know, your recovery and your wellness, and you use it every day. And I would love to know, like, is it something that you’re using in every day and how does it compare to, like, other things that you’ve tried in this, in this space?

Nick Urban [00:09:16]:
Yeah, well, I’ve been traveling for the last three months, so now is not the indicative sample of, like, my usual routine. But once I got PMF and I got your mat specifically, I started using it. And a lot of things that I’ll implement, and then they are either uncomfortable to use or they’re a bit of a hassle, or they require dedicated focus. And I don’t necessarily want to carve it out and focus on this one thing for long periods of time, but when I was using your mat, I like that it integrates multiple different modalities, the ones we’ll talk about in a minute into the one. And also when I use it, I feel noticeably relaxed. And it’s a good habit to. Good, healthy habit to build, and it’s one that I actually look forward to at the end of the day rather than just having to do it for the sake of checking the box.

Jake Ross [00:10:00]:
It’s a. It’s a motivator. It’s kind of the pillar of a lot of people’s routines, at least, like, you know, a lot of the customers that we work with and a lot of our clients. Like, the good way to describe is like, hey, this is like the pillar of my wellness or recovery routine. And everything I do is kind of, you know, in addition or supplemental to them. And I think that’s. It’s awesome to hear that it’s, you know, it has become an essential part piece for you.

Nick Urban [00:10:23]:
Yeah. I recorded a podcast just recently on the trends, the trends of 2026 and beyond. And one of those is the emergence or the prioritization of recovery as the, like, the hot frontier. Because for a while it was performance and different things around health. And it seems that the overall consensus is shifting towards, like, if you want to do anything at a high level for long periods of time, recovery is absolutely paramount. And also, even, like professional athletes, like, they train hard, sure. But they also recar. Recover much harder than your average amateur athlete or even someone who’s a couple notches below them.

Jake Ross [00:10:58]:
Yeah. And I think when you compound that rec like that intentional recovery over time, that’s when you start getting into longevity, which I think coincides with that, because the longevity market is growing at, like, an exponential rate. And I think it has a lot to do with people starting to realize, like, hey, the people that performing the highest, that are performing at their highest, they’re recovering really hard, and they’re intentional about their recovery, and they’re finding every little advantage they can take, every innovative therapy, you know, obviously tested and making sure that it’s grounded in reality and science, but they’re looking for every advantage, both on the field and off the field, you know, on the court, off the court. And so, you know, when you beat your body up and you’re putting it through stress, optimizing your recovery is like the best way to get you back out there and performing at your highest. Which again, like, as I mentioned, you know, we’ve been working with Christian Jones and learning about how he integrates that, that, you know, Matt into his recovery. He’s about to enter the off season where it’s purely training and recovery. And, you know, when he heads down to Dallas for training, because that’s, you know, where he’s going to be going to train for this offseason. You know, it’s.

Jake Ross [00:12:03]:
He’s going to be taking his mat with him. He’s going to be showing like, you know, his friends and his peers, like, hey, this is what I’m using because it makes me to feel better. And I think it’s really important that people who are performing at a high level, they start focusing on recovery because as you said, people are just starting to realize just how important it is.

Nick Urban [00:12:20]:
Yeah. So what exactly does recovery mean to you? You mentioned earlier bone healing, wound healing, things like that, that it’s being used. It has been used for a long time. But then when it comes to recovery, for your average person who doesn’t have any major issues.

Jake Ross [00:12:32]:
Yeah, absolutely. And again, that, you know, before is like clinical, you know, clinical grade, PMF trials and stuff for that. But let’s talk more about, like, the average consumer, you know, the people that are using this day to day. Because you’re right, recovery looks very different for a lot of different people. And I use my mat in a lot of different ways. You know, I think one thing that’s really, really important that I think is accessible to anyone and everyone, no matter what your lifestyle is, is the mental recovery aspect. Being able to figure out, like, hey, do I want to use, you know, pm like we have, you’re able to customize your, your therapy, your PMF frequencies to specific brain wave ranges. So it’s like, hey, do I want to customize this session for increasing energy, making me relax, making me focused, optimize recovery? If I’m doing it in the morning, for example, and I really want to focus on my mental health, mental health and set my intention for the day, what I’ll do is I’ll set it to, you know, a frequency where I’m more prioritizing, you know, Focus and energy.

Jake Ross [00:13:29]:
And I’ll sit down and I’ll do a meditation in that respect, and it’ll help me with my mental health in that way.

Nick Urban [00:13:33]:
Is that working through the. For. Through the brainwave entrainment effect, where you say how you set it at 10 Hz and then it entrains your brain to the 10 Hz frequency band.

Jake Ross [00:13:42]:
These are resonant frequencies with brainwave ranges. And so your brain is producing these frequencies. And what we’re doing is we’re matching those frequencies. So, for example, like, you’re saying, like, there are specific frequencies within the range where it’s going to be promoting recovery. And what you can do is you can tailor your experience to those frequencies. For example, like, let’s say that you want to use Earth’s natural frequency, the Schumann’s resonance. You can set it to that, and you’d have that grounding effect that people look for, you know, or you can increase the frequencies or decrease from there. And that’s a good way that we like to onboard people is like, hey, if you want to replicate Earth’s natural frequency, you want that feeling of laying down with your feet in the grass and meditating with Earth, you know, we’d probably recommend Schumann’s resonance.

Jake Ross [00:14:25]:
But if you want to tailor it, you know, based on your specific goals or benefits, you can customize it from there. Does that answer your question?

Nick Urban [00:14:31]:
Yeah, it does. So say I wanted to ground or Earth myself, I would use. The Schumann resonance is like 7.83 Hz. But then if I wanted to take it up a notch and be more productive, if I might take myself into, like, a beta state, and it’s not actually taking you there, it’s just setting the frequency that changing the parameters of the session. And then your brain matches that and keeps you in that state.

Jake Ross [00:14:50]:
Exactly. A big part of it is setting that intention. What do you want to get out of this session? Setting that intention and then, you know, being able to experience those benefits. And yeah, looping back to, like, you know, how it works for me is, like, it absolutely helps me because now I get to enter. You know, anyone who meditates or implements like breath, work practices knows that, like, when you clear your mind and you come back from that state, you’re able to approach everything, like, with a lot more clarity. And so that’s how I use in the morning, but at the end of the night, like, looping back to recovery, you know, my mental health might be a little bit more deteriorated throughout the day. And that’s when I kind of use it to more relax, recover, come back to balance, set my focus and kind of recover from a mental standpoint now I am do live a very active lifestyle as well. You know, exercise, extracurricular sports and stuff like that.

Jake Ross [00:15:38]:
And so there’s a very real, you know, physical recovery aspect to it where I use it differently. You know, I’ll use a higher heat setting and reduce soreness so that I can, you know, perform the next day so I can go back into the gym and not, you know, feel like I can’t put in the same amount of effort because I have, you know, next day muscle soreness or second day muscle soreness. And so there’s different use cases. Another thing that I like to do is you know, the full detox. You know, we have the Mylar blankets, I’ll wrap it around the mat and I’ll do a full on sweat session and let everything out and do the far infrared sauna from my own home. And that’s another great way to promote that physical recovery. But yeah, you know, people have found all these ways that they like to use it and we don’t really like to tell people like do it this way, this is the only way to do it. You know, find your experience, find where you like to use your mat.

Jake Ross [00:16:25]:
Some people like to purchase our bed sized Taj mat, place it on their bed and they lay on their bed and they do other practices there. Other people, you know, we have all these different sizes and combinations of gemstones and you really get to build your ideal routine and then structured around this kind of essential product.

Nick Urban [00:16:42]:
Yeah, we’ll go into more of those in a minute. I’m still curious about PMF and specifically like there’s another device that I’ve seen on the market for a long time and it’s a local device. You put it on your head as far as I can tell. And it’s supposed to really work on the brainwave entrainment effect we were just talking about. How important is that if I just lay on the mat, will I be getting a, I guess strong enough signal that will help my brain and train to where frequency I set.

Jake Ross [00:17:04]:
You know, for the sake of this conversation, I don’t think there’s anything I can really like speak on that can be like you know, backed and verified by clinical studies at least said that I’ve, that I’ve been researching recently. So I’d probably love to steer away from that just because I don’t want to say anything that could potentially like lead people down the wrong route. So I think that’s definitely something that we can, you know, come back to or include in the blog post that’s going to be attached on the podcast. I think that’d be a little bit better, just because I don’t want to say anything that might be misleading.

Nick Urban [00:17:34]:
Sure. Yeah. I have a EEG sensor that I’ll use, and I’ll try different settings and see if I can actually meaningfully impact my brain waves in a normal session, too. I’ll let you know how that goes.

Jake Ross [00:17:48]:
What have you found from that? I’m so curious.

Nick Urban [00:17:51]:
I haven’t tried that yet because I’ve been on the road. Once I get back, I’ll give it a shot.

Jake Ross [00:17:55]:
Oh, that’d be great. No, and you definitely have to share that because I’m definitely interested in seeing that. Also, like, there are certain studies that we’re conducting over here, and we’re really excited that, you know, we can release throughout the year and stuff. And this year we want to do a lot more of, like, you know, tracking people, you know, you know, tracking people’s health, you know, their sleep, you know, being able to find the empirical data from all these different experiences that people are having it and share them. So, you know, I should be able to share with you and, you know, our audiences, like, hey, here’s how I’m using my mat. Here’s like, some ideas for you and motivate people. And that’s. That’s something that I think we’ve done really well with our community throughout this year is like, we have tons of people that are such passionate users of our product and they love sharing.

Jake Ross [00:18:37]:
Here’s how I use it. Here’s how, you know, my kids like to use it, you know, stuff like that. And I think when people share their stories, it helps everyone to learn together.

Nick Urban [00:18:45]:
You know, what are some of those stories that you’re getting and hearing back of people who are using these different technologies? Like, what are you hearing that they notice as a difference? Because I don’t think your average person would notice and they would actually come to you and be like, hey, my recovery. My recovery is dramatically improved and might be like, oh, I’m sleeping better, or I feel less anxious, feel less nervous, I feel less irritable, I feel more focused. These types of things, like, what are you hearing? As a case reports, we.

Jake Ross [00:19:12]:
We have a customer who has a sleep number bed, and they use their sleep memory to, you know, they track their sleep, their sleep quality and all through that. And so what they started doing is they started Sharing with us, like, hey, let’s track my sleep number score as I start integrating this, you know, PMF mat into my, like, nightly routine. And almost within days, that average score started shooting up from like, low 70s to like 86, 87, and then staying around that realm and constantly improving from there. So that’s just one way where it’s like, hey, I’m actually getting a lot better and higher quality sleep by integrating this in my routine. But again, like, you’re saying that’s not. I tried this for one day and I’ve been sleeping better ever since. You know, that’s. I’m going to add this to my routine and look at those impacts.

Jake Ross [00:19:58]:
And I think you touch on a really important point. When there’s so many of these variables you’re introducing to, you know, your wellness routine or activities and stuff like that, it becomes really hard to know, like, what’s actually moving the needle for me, what’s making me feel better? You know, am I, am I assessing my own health on a, on a regular basis? Do I know what’s like, you know, causing that? So when you can point to a specific KPI or indicator of like, hey, I added this to my routine. This is how I’ve been feeling after a few months of using it or a few weeks of using it. Let’s, let’s keep track of that.

Nick Urban [00:20:30]:
Yeah, I think I read a long time ago that part of the way it works is that it. To simplify it, it recharges your cells. You might think, oh, that’s gonna give me a ton of energy. It’s gonna ruin my sleep. It’s gonna do this or that. There’s another model of health and disease that, like, when your cells get depleted and they have, and their resting potential changes, then whatever symptom, whatever illness ensues. And this seems like there’s no medical claim here, but like, it helps the body recalibrate in a way and go back to what it should be when everything’s working properly.

Jake Ross [00:21:02]:
So it’s like what you’re saying is like achieving homeostasis, bringing yourself back to balance, not allowing yourself to be so susceptible to the things that can harm us by providing your body with the support. Those, those natural, those natural cellular processes are what we’re trying to support. You know, we can support and promote blood circulation, which is so important, especially for recovery. Reducing inflammation, reducing tension, supporting pain relief. Like, if you can promote blood circulation and stimulate cellular activity, there’s a lot of benefits that can come from that. And like, you’re saying that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to charge yourself up and be all rounded up. You’re charging your cells. You’re basically providing them that baseline so they can do what they do best.

Jake Ross [00:21:43]:
You know, there’s, there’s these natural processes that your cells are going to do on their own. And what we want to do is we want to get out of the way of that. And this is a great technique for doing.

Nick Urban [00:21:53]:
Yeah, that’s a good point. Also, it’s easy to say, look at one particular benefit, like say improved blood flow and be like, okay, this is going to just do that one thing. But then you start tracing all the effects of that one thing, like improve blood flow and you realize it really has so many different myriad health benefits and performance benefits, recovery benefits, sleep benefits like lymphatic drainage, detoxification benefits. You just, you name it, it goes on.

Jake Ross [00:22:17]:
Yeah, I mean that you’re, you’re right, the list does go on. And I think that sometimes do people do find that a little bit overwhelming because I think it gets a little bit convoluted when it’s like, oh, is this like, you know, when I’m looking at this list of 30 things, how do I know that this applies to me? And I think the answer to that is find what you’re looking to fix and then gravitate towards that because it is a customizable experience. And I think one thing that we’re probably going to start getting into is like you’re combining the PEMF with the far infrared. You know, the far infrared heat is extremely high quality, deep penetrating natural heat source that’s combining with the pemf and, and you’re creating that really unique experience which we have the patented technology for. Then you’re combining it with the red light, then you have the negative ion therapy. You know, it’s a non ion, non ionizing, non invasive experience. And so when you’re kind of putting together all these different modalities, you really create this incredible experience that can be used for a number of reasons. You know, you don’t have to be like, oh, all These lists of 30 things applies to me.

Jake Ross [00:23:16]:
You can find the one that really thinks it’s going to make a good impact on your life and you know, focus on that and utilizing it for that use case, you know. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:23:24]:
And it seems like since you already have them all in one, you might as well just use them all and tweak them and figure out what works best for you based on the current circumstances.

Jake Ross [00:23:33]:
Sorry, to butt in. You know, for example, am I going to do it with 125 degrees with, you know, 7 hertz? Am I going to do it with 145 with 15 hertz? Like, I spent so much time tailoring the, you know, PMF frequencies with the heat to find, like, what do I want to achieve? What am I looking for? How does my body react to these things? And that kind of experience helps you to, again, create the. Create the recovery routine that works best for you and works best for your body. So that’s just an anecdote I wanted to add.

Nick Urban [00:24:03]:
Yeah. And how do you go about choosing what to use? I mean, I know for some of them, it might be more obvious than others, but. For example, you mentioned the pmf, since we’re already talking about that. When you choose between the Schumann resonance or a different frequency, of course there’s the idea that’s gonna. It’s gonna help entrain the brain to that frequency. But then also, are there any other factors that you consider before choosing the frequency?

Jake Ross [00:24:25]:
I mean, it’s the intention of what you want out of your session. So I would be thinking to myself a couple things. I’d be thinking, okay, do I want to relax and restore? Do I wanna energize myself for something coming up, Do I wanna feel more grounded and kind of, you know, come back to balance? Or am I looking for, you know, amplify recovery? Yeah, know, maybe I just had a hard workout or something. And my. My focus is recovery. So I’d say before doing that, I would set, like, okay, what is your intention there? That’ll tell you the general way, like, range of frequencies that I’d be playing around with. So, for example, let’s say, like, you know, you just, you know, you’re working with zero to seven, you’re going to find it within there, then start, you know, adjusting the heat. You know, it does take a few minutes to heat up because, you know, the.

Jake Ross [00:25:06]:
It’s the far infrared heat coming from the gemstones. And then start finding your level. If it’s too hot and you’re not enjoying it, then turn it down. You know, and that’s the thing. There’s no direct answer. What we do have for our customers, though, is after they purchase, you know, we’re going to be sending them information around. Like, hey, here’s like, the protocols for finding what works for you and things to consider. But it, like you said, it’s unique for everyone.

Jake Ross [00:25:29]:
So there’s no universal answer. The great thing is that you do have an intuitive LED controller where you can customize that and then you can see it. And then we would just recommend, like, hey, once you find what works for you, write it down. You know, maybe It’s, I use 135 with 7 hertz and this makes me feel XYZ. And then you’ll know that, and then you’ll know, hey, when I want to feel this way, I know what I want to, what kind of settings I’m going to tailor on my map for.

Nick Urban [00:25:53]:
The people who use. Let’s just. We’ll go on to the next modalities in a minute and talk about them. But since we’re already on pmf, when people who say they don’t notice anything, is there an idea of, like, what to try differently? Like, obviously, different frequency sets, like, go up, go down. But then, like, what about other things they can try or different uses? Maybe they’re looking for the wrong types of outcomes or sensations.

Jake Ross [00:26:15]:
Exactly. And so I think that’s an expectation that, you know, people need to know. People need to get educated on, you know, what it is that they’re using. Understand, okay, what are my expectations? And then how do I assess it from there? And so again, we’re non invasive. You’re not going to feel, feel a tingling sensation or anything like that. You know, people sometimes get confused because we provide the PMF visualizer, which I’m sure you’re familiar with, which is essentially like, you know, a little magnetized rock, a piece of metal you put on the mat, and it’ll start like, you know, shaking within the plastic container because it’s demonstrating the pulse electromagnetic waves. And so that you’ll see that the PMF is working. But that doesn’t mean that your body’s going to start like, jiggling around like, you know, like that magnetized, you know, know, piece of metal.

Jake Ross [00:26:58]:
But that’s essentially representing, like, you know, what you’re stimulating within your body, within the cellular processes. And so again, when you’re hopping on the mat for the first time, you shouldn’t lay on it for five minutes and be like, well, I don’t feel like I’m recovered. You know, it’s about implementing into your routine and then noticing those things over time and recognizing like, hey, how do I feel when I do use it versus how I don’t use it? So, yeah, you know, I’d say in terms of, you know, expectations, it’s like, don’t. I wouldn’t hop on it and be like, oh, where’s that sensation? Where’s that immediate feeling, I’d say incorporate it to your routine and then ask yourself, how are you feeling around these certain areas? Are you noticing that impact? Are you seeing that impact and, you know, provide it time to implement your routine? Our bodies are very adaptable, but we’re also, you know, creatures of habit. And when you have your same routine for a long time and you start introducing new innovative therapies and modalities, you, you’re going to start noticing how you feel because, you know, if it’s something that you’ve been doing for a while, you know, you’re going to realize that if you’re relatively new to the space of like, you know, whether it be biohacking or, you know, you don’t really have a recovery routine, this is still a great place to start because I recommend you start learning about these different therapies and getting into it so that you can know, okay, how am I going to use this for myself? You get to build your routine from the ground up. You get to, you know, you have a clean slate. For the people who already have their routine, it might be a little bit easier for them to, you know, recognize those changes.

Nick Urban [00:28:20]:
Yeah. So like a lot of times when you’re going through like healthy therapies to help you get through a, a challenge or whatever it is, like say a gut reset, there’ll be a period where you have a die off reaction or what’s called a Herxheimer reaction, or just like a detox reaction where your body’s like, now you’re actually able to eliminate the heavy metals and the contaminants, everything inside your body. As a result, for that period, you, you might be taking a binder and you’ll still feel like lethargic or low energy or have a headache or something. And that’s actually necessary. It’s part of the process to get to the place that everyone wants to go, where everyone wants to feel.

Jake Ross [00:28:54]:
We’re creatures of habit. If you introduce change into that routine, your mind and your body react to that change. And so if you’re doing something dramatically different that’s healthy for you, your body’s going to be like, oh, wait, this is new, you know, I’m not used to this. And then you might have a negative reaction to those type of things. Just because your routine’s changing. That doesn’t really have anything to do with like a reaction to the therapy or a reaction to like anything like that. But that’s just simply like, hey, you’re starting to shift your own, your own relationship with your health and there’s going to be changes. You know, the first time that I ever did the far infrared sauna with the Mylar blanket and everything, like the full detox, sweat everything out up the heat and everything, like, I mean, I loved the feeling and it was like weight being lifted off of me, but it was a feeling that my body had never experienced before.

Jake Ross [00:29:41]:
And it was like, you know, sometimes different isn’t necessarily bad, but sometimes we can react to things where it’s like, oh, no, this is not good. But sometimes that’s just really the shock factor. And you know, when you, when you, you know, pursue that in a greater fashion or you really lean into it, there’s actually a lot of benefits that can come from it. Have you personally experienced any of those benefits? By, you know, I mean, you’ve tested all these innovative therapies. I’d love to know, like, what have you noticed?

Nick Urban [00:30:09]:
Yeah, I mean, I use a ton of different things for a ton of different purposes. And some of them I like and I use on a daily basis. And I keep coming back to, especially as it comes to like developing resilience. Like, I’ll do a lot of heart rate variability training, heart coherence training, neurofeedback, a lot, this type of stuff, as well as like physical fitness technologies and trainings and modalities and everything like that. And then I’ll obviously do some things on the recovery side as well. And some of them are a pain, but I like to stack as many as possible and I will look, for example, I’ll often do neurofeedback in front of, in front of a red light therapy panel on top of your mat while inhaling brown’s gas all at the same time to start my morning. And to me, that’s like a pretty solid stack where I’m able to in 20 minutes get a whole lot out of my day and out of my morning.

Jake Ross [00:30:58]:
And so I’m super curious. Like, you know, you’re introducing all these things, you’re doing this, like, uncommon, you know, you’re building what works for you, which I think is a big portion of like, what this conversation about is what works for you. How do you make it accessible so it doesn’t feel like you have to climb a mountain to get there. And so what I’m curious is about, like, how did you build, how did you build that stack? What’s going on in your brain when you’re thinking, okay, this healthy line mat, this healthy line mat is the pillar of this. This is what I’m going to be sitting on this is why I’m going to be sitting on it. How do you introduce and build that stack? Because I think a lot of people can learn about, learn from how you approach that.

Nick Urban [00:31:33]:
Well, it’s pretty simple. I just looked at it and said, okay, well, I have this heart rate variability training device and I also have a red light theory panel I want to sit in front of. And I could do them separately, it would take me an hour. Or I can do them together and it’ll take me 30 minutes. And then I tried them together and they worked great and I felt better. And then I saw, okay, I can add this Matt. Okay, this Matt makes me feel better. And I feel like I get more out of the sessions and my data improves a little bit.

Nick Urban [00:31:58]:
I get a little more recovery from my session as measured by my devices. And I can just keep adding things until I get to a point where it’s like, okay, this is about as far as I want to go. Cause eventually if I keep adding more and more things, there’s just too much, it becomes too much of a hassle to set up and to actually implement. So I just find what works. I try removing one thing here there to see if I can simplify and still get a bit little of the benefits. But this also comes down to what I read in the research and what seems to be efficacious and healthy for the most number of people. And if I have a good response to that too, and there’s no negative interactions with other stuff, then I implement it up into a point. You can only do so many things at the same time.

Jake Ross [00:32:37]:
You’ve obviously tried a lot of PMF products. There’s a lot out there. Can you talk a little bit about what your experience has been with Healthy Line? How is it different? What are things that you think are like that we have that others don’t like? I would love to learn a little bit more about. You know, you’ve tested a lot of different things and so I think your perspective and to shine a little light on that in a language that’s again, accessible and easy to understand. I think that would be really helpful for these audiences.

Nick Urban [00:33:02]:
The best part to me is that it’s just that Healthy Line contains a bunch of different modalities all in one. I have other dedicated PMF devices. And again, that’s just like a lot of setup and it adds complication. It’s like you want to get everything together in one place. If it still provides like therapeutic doses of the Intervention, whatever it is. And so to me, having that right there. And then also the fact that Healthy Line combines multiple things into one in a way that’s actually like you guys are researching it. And for example, when you’ll talk about the gemstones and how that interacts with the far infrared and any other modalities, it does, like, that’s something that you don’t necessarily get if you’re just trying to combine them on your own.

Nick Urban [00:33:40]:
Unless you know exactly what it is that you’re doing.

Jake Ross [00:33:43]:
Yeah, no, you’re not gonna, you know, you’re not gonna go out and collect pounds, 30 pounds of amethyst gemstones, find a way to heat them up, then get your p. I think I, you just brought up something that reminded me this YouTube video of a UFC fighter. Then his morning routine, he goes and he does the red light panel. Then from the red light panel he goes and lays on his PMF machine. And then he leaves the PMF machine and goes into his sauna. And I’m like, that’s literally our product wrapped up it all into one, you know, and I thought it was so funny that you say that because it does add a level to, of convenience to these, you know, kind of a lot of these advanced therapies that maybe hasn’t really existed before. And I think that barrier to entry becomes a little lower when you make it a little bit more, you know, packaged in a way that, hey, you can get all these benefits. And you make a great point.

Jake Ross [00:34:29]:
You know, we combine, you know, science backed therapies with natural, with natural therapies and holistic therapies. And so when you combine the natural far infrared, like high quality heat with pmf, you’re creating a really, really unique experience that you can’t really get anywhere else because you have a natural source of farm Fred heat and then you have these natural resonant frequencies and they’re interacting, they’re creating this very holistic experience where you’re both promoting blood circulation and cellular activity while you’re using quality heat to get down to your tissues and joints and muscles to, to provide that tension relief. And I think the combination is, it’s, it’s really something.

Nick Urban [00:35:11]:
Yeah. Jake, help me understand the importance of gemstones. What do these do? Does actually just laying on gemstones have any kind of health benefit?

Jake Ross [00:35:19]:
Yeah. So far, infrared heat is, it’s a more functional heat source and it’s going to get deeper into your, it’s going to have deeper tissue penetration. And so essentially we’re taking these natural Elements that naturally produce far infrared heat. So it’s not an artificial source. And we’re allowing it to, to do what it does in nature. By heating up the, the gemstones, it produces the far infrared rays and also produces negative ions. And so when we say, you know, we have five therapies in a mat, far infrared heat and negative ions are both sourced from the heated gemstones.

Nick Urban [00:35:48]:
Why use the gemstones for the far infrared versus the way other companies do it, which is just like far infrared emitters.

Jake Ross [00:35:55]:
The whole concept of our mat is we want you to bring a little piece of earth into your home or into your space and make that the pillar of your routine. You know, if we’re approaching these therapies that are supposed to make up, bring us back to homeostasis. They’re supposed to feel natural and they’re supposed to make us feel our best. We don’t want to introduce anything that can be potentially harmful. And so people have been using gemstone therapy for centuries. You know, what we’ve done is we’ve been able to take certified quality grade gemstones and integrate them into this mat so that you don’t have to worry about anything being artificial. In our products. Everything is tested, everything is certified, everything is built with this concept of science backed studies combined with natural therapies and finding that middle ground.

Jake Ross [00:36:40]:
And so introducing anything artificial would just, it wouldn’t really align with our mission statement of a brand.

Nick Urban [00:36:46]:
And then you, you said negative ion. No, you said non ionizing multiple times. And for people who’ve listened to the whole topic of EMFs, there’s a big distinguish distinguishing between ionizing radiation and non, non ionizing radiation. But then when it comes to these modalities, there’s also negative ions. Isn’t negative ions one of the things that you guys incorporate into your maths?

Jake Ross [00:37:09]:
Yeah. And so, you know, across the five therapies, negative ions is one of the two that is really connected to gemstones. And that’s when you hit the gemstones, they release both the far infrared and they release the negative ions. And so what is that negative. What are the negative ions doing detoxifying your environment? You know, when you’re implementing these practice practices, what it’s going to do, it’s going to pull these potentially harmful airborne particles from the air and it’s going to pull them down to the ground. And so basically what you’re doing is you’re detoxifying this environment so that it’s more like as if you were sitting next to a waterfall in nature. You know, that’s where you’d find, like, you know, negative ions. And so what we’re doing is, again, we’re creating that natural space for you so that you can get the most of all those other therapies integrated in the product.

Jake Ross [00:37:52]:
You know, it’s. How do we optimize your environment so that you’re as receptive as possible to the pemf, as receptive as possible to the far infrared and the red light therapy? You know, they all kind of come together and the negative ions are really what helps to craft that environment. And again, it’s, you know, grounded in the. In the gemstone therapy.

Nick Urban [00:38:13]:
So with the negative ions, you mentioned that it kind of like cleans the air. They pulls off, like, the big particles that you don’t want to be inhaling, per se, and pulls them to the ground. Is it having any other biological effects? Like, what is it doing to me? And I’d assume that there’s something, because when I go outside after a thunderstorm or something, the air certainly feels different. I know there’s negative ions there as well. As you’re on the beach, near bodies of water, near waterfalls, you get negative ions. What is it actually doing to humans that are exposed to it? Because whether or not I’m there, it’s still gonna be pulling things out of the air, as you mentioned, and going down to the ground. But what do I get from being exposed to negative islands?

Jake Ross [00:38:50]:
Well, what you get is you get that detoxified environment. And what you’re doing is you’re allowing your body to be receptive to these therapies that you’re providing. We do have negative ion generators for clearing your space, but, you know, this is another one of those things where it’s like, hey, if you’re just using, like, it’s not like we were talking about earlier, you’re not going to turn on the negative ion generator and then all of a sudden feel like a superhero. You know, that’s not really kind of like how people are utilizing it. And that’s why when it’s integrated with our mats, it’s about creating that environment and that space so that your body’s as receptive as possible. You know, it’s cleansing that environment around you. And so as far as its impact on the body, you know, that can really depend upon what are the other therapies that you’re utilizing during that time. You know, it’s more about that combination of these modalities rather than what is the individual effect of each one.

Nick Urban [00:39:36]:
And then the last Big modality that you guys integrate. And I think everyone’s gonna be familiar with this at this point, because it’s been all over the news over the last couple years, is the concept of red light therapy. And you guys have it integrated inside the mat.

Jake Ross [00:39:50]:
Yeah, you know, red light therapy, definitely having a moment. And it’s a very common therapy that people are integrating in med spas, you know, wellness studios, holistic practitioners. Like I mentioned, we’re about to do this Pilates event, this red light Pilates event next week in Miami. And it’s definitely probably one of the more popular modalities in terms of longevity biohacking. And that’s, you know, a big reason why we’ve integrated into this product is it’s something that people want to incorporate into the routine, especially when possible. And it’s so easy too. You know, there’s a tons of people implementing it in different ways. And I think you just, you provided a great example before you, you know, you sit on your mat, you have your red light panel and you have the red light coming from both beneath you and in front of you.

Jake Ross [00:40:37]:
And I think it’s an important therapy that when integrated with our unique combination of the PEMF and far infrared, it creates this really, really incredible experience. And you feel that, you know, and people will have those, you know, after a 20 minutes minute session. You know, you feel that when you get off the mat, you feel that wave of energy, you feel that relaxation, you know, you come back to homeostasis. And red light therapy plays a really crucial role in that. As far as, you know, our product and you know, where we sit in that red light market, we’re more down like professional grade PMF and farm for red in our patent for the that. And the red light therapy is something that we’ve been able to integrate into that. As, you know, one of our fully loaded mats, for example, like our Jet series, which is one of our most advanced and newest ones, that has the gemstone, you know, that has all five. We have the pmf, we have the far infrared, we have the negative ion, we have the red light and the natural gemstone therapy.

Jake Ross [00:41:30]:
But we also have other products for people who maybe they’re not super into red light. You know, we have the Tau series, which is one of our legacy models, which is PEMF and far infrared heat and the gemstones, but it has a bit of a softer surface. So you’re not, you’re not laying so much on those, on those stiff, on those stiff gemstones. You know, we Also have other products that add therapies where it’s like, in addition to the red light, we actually have the rainbow chakra lining, chakra lining, gemstones and the lights. So you can choose your setting. Do you want to do the rainbow lights or do you want to do the red light therapy? You know, and so we found ways to like, you know, innovate and build out products based on what people are looking for. You know, if you are looking for more of a chakra balancing session, you know, we have a, we have a mat that’s, you know, specifically tailored for that. If you’re looking for something more active recovery, then we have a mat that’s more tailored for that.

Jake Ross [00:42:19]:
So what we built is kind of this menu of therapies that you can kind of put together and again, build what works best for you.

Nick Urban [00:42:25]:
I interviewed someone a while back about color therapy specifically and the impact of different colors on biology. Are you saying that your chakra aligning mat has like different colors built in to correspond to the different chakras?

Jake Ross [00:42:38]:
Yeah. So our rainbow chakra mat, and I’m curious if you, even if you’ve gotten the chance to see it from the top down, it basically aligns all of your chakras in terms of like, it has the gemstones that align with your chakras going through the whole mat. So, you know, when we provide it to people, we’re like, hey, this is where to position your head. So that’s aligned with the crown chakra, you know, and then it’ll also have the lights that correspond with those gemstones going down the mat. And then you can do it with either the red light or you can do it with the rainbow setting. And so like you’re saying the colors, they correlate with the gemstones and the gemstones are, you know, the ones that connect with each chakra.

Nick Urban [00:43:14]:
Yeah, I just thought it was like a different into naming and use case. I didn’t realize there’s an actual functional difference between that mat and some of the others.

Jake Ross [00:43:22]:
Yeah, I mean, you know, you can use them the same way, but you’re not going to have the chopper stones in the, in the jet mat. You know, the jet is going to have amethyst, jade, tourmaline rainbow chakra has seven different gemstones. You know, so also the, the, the combination of gemstones is also another thing that people look for, especially, especially people who are very knowledgeable about gemstone therapy. You know, there’s going to be specific benefits associated with amethyst versus gems jade, you know, versus tourmaline. Like there’s these gemstones that people use for, for different reasons. And so we have these different combinations within our mats. And if you really are go. If, you know, if you’re looking for a mat that’s specifically for like a holistic practitioner or chakra balancing therapy, we’re always going to recommend the rainbow chakra mat because we have all seven of the gemstones integrated throughout.

Nick Urban [00:44:13]:
I also interviewed a couple red light scientists a while back and they were mentioning how like, yes, in general, the power of the light panel, obviously, or the light source matters. But one thing factor that a lot of people forget about is not just the power it’s actually putting out, but it’s how close to your body that you’re applying it. Because you can have a really powerful panel, but as soon as you increase the distance between your skin and that panel, the light decay increases dramatically. The light power drops off really quickly. And so if you’re actually sitting on it, Even though the LEDs might not be like the industry leading most powerful LEDs, the fact that you’re sitting on it means you can still be getting some benefit versus if it was 6 inches away or 12 inches away. Like a lot of panels are.

Jake Ross [00:44:53]:
Yeah, and that’s typically what we have to explain or not have to, but that’s typically what we like to explain to people is like, you know, you’re still getting the benefits you’re laying directly on the red light. So if you’re wearing for example, like a super thin layer of clothing, that’s not gonna, that’s not gonna interrupt the process or anything. You know, if you’re wearing like six and three layers or something, or like, you know, that might have impacted a lot of the time. Like, you know, I will, you know, you know, use it shirtless, especially when I’m doing the sweat sessions and stuff like that. And so it’s important for people to know that, hey, you have direct content contact with the, with the red light. And by having that direct content, you, you don’t have to worry about those effects dissipating with distance. Because that is a very common question that people have.

Nick Urban [00:45:33]:
And then I know you guys are working on some other stuff over there. What would you say if you can share anything behind the curtain, what is going on? What are you excited about these days?

Jake Ross [00:45:43]:
There’s a lot of really cool things and experiential things that I’m excited about. You know, I’ll tell you one of the messaging strategies going into this year and one of the Things that, you know, we’re really exploring. One of the things that I found my favorite part about the mat is combining the experience you feel on our mat with the experience of listening to music specifically on vinyl. You know, one of the things that I’ve been doing recently is, is connecting a pair of headphones to, you know, my record player, putting it on, laying the mat next to it, and really feeling the music while I’m in the state of homeostasis with the far infrared heat on. Usually not too hot because, you know, if you’re listening to a really intense album or something, you can get, you know, you get really, really hot. But, you know, adjusting the PMF frequencies, maybe to be a little bit lower, let my body relax and then let my mind kind of escape. And so that kind of experience is something that we really want to kind of dive into and explore. Great going into this new year because I’ve had some of my favorite sessions combining the power of music with the mat itself.

Jake Ross [00:46:44]:
There’s also a ton of, like, technical features and things that we want to work on the mats that unfortunately I can’t really talk about right now. I really, really want to, but, you know, we have to keep some things as like, you know, keep people on their toes. The jet mat has been our, you know, that was the one that we released, you know, in 2024, and that’s our, like, latest and greatest. And that one’s a really special product because it basically takes the most advanced PMF PMF technology for consumers, combines it with, you know, our most powerful technology in terms of gemstones and far infrared heats, their top of the line model. And that has kind of bringing everything together. The what separates that from all of our other models is if you shop our like 74 by 28 pro plus one, that’s going to be the one that we actually sell to professionals. That’s going to be the one that they actually put on massage tables that last the longest. And it’s really difficult for your average consumer to find a high quality product like that that they can rely on and they can put in their own home for, you know, a pretty, a relatively competitive cost.

Nick Urban [00:47:45]:
You know, a buddy in Austin builds custom vibroacoustic sound therapy tables where it’s basically just the equivalent of a massage table with a big subwoofer transducer technically, but a subwoofer underneath it. And it just like shakes the whole table and makes you feel like you’re in an immersive experience. And then he also has this light above it, it’s called a Roxiva light and it like induces like deep profound states of your choosing. And so I’m imagining now the combination of the vibracoustic table, the Roxiva light and in between there, one of these mats could be like really profound therapeutic tool.

Jake Ross [00:48:20]:
I, I, I’m, I’m right down that same line as line of thought as you. I think it could be a really, really special experience. Again, I don’t want to like talk about too much, but there’s a lot of stuff that we’re working on on our end in terms of like amplifying the experience that we’ve already created. Obviously we don’t want to overload too much stuff and confuse people, but we do want to continue to build this holistic experience. And I think at the end of the day, you know, what are you looking at and what are you getting out of our product? What are like the actual benefits? And the benefits are that you’re going to be integrating these healthy, proven therapies. You’re going to be getting these benefits such as like, you know, supporting improved sleep, you know, de stressing, you know, pain relief and all that. But you’re going to be making these healthy modalities and therapies habitual. And at the end of the day that is one of the like key aspects of it is turning these healthy routines into habits.

Jake Ross [00:49:13]:
And once they become a habit, they become a part of your life. And, and that’s when you really start noticing how they’re affecting you over time. You know, we want people to be looking at their year as a whole and being like, okay, why do I feel so good this year compared to last year’s and be realizing like, well, I’ve built a wellness routine or a recovery routine that is helping me to feel my best on a daily basis. And I think that’s the most important thing because everybody’s looking for a one time solution. Everybody wants to flip a switch and you know, feel their best. But at the end of the day, like when you kind of dive into this space, you really start learning about it. You start realizing like, oh, the tools are out there, you know, the therapies are out there. It’s about using what’s best for me and finding what works for me.

Jake Ross [00:49:53]:
And I think that’s a really, really important thing that you clearly understand very well.

Nick Urban [00:49:57]:
Yeah. And for some extra context for anyone who doesn’t know, Healthy Line was one of the first, if not actually, I think the first company to combine a lot of these modalities into one. And now you can look around, you can see other companies trying to do something similar where they have a bunch of different modalities in one mat. But when I did my own research a long time ago, I was not very impressed because a lot of the other ones were either missing major modalities or the pmf, which is one of the core foundations of it, was so low in power in GOSS level that it makes it like more of a decorative item and less of a therapeutically useful like, okay, I’m going to actually experience the benefits of PMF out of this.

Jake Ross [00:50:40]:
It is, it is. And that’s really where we are a leader, is we’re taking the most proven, advanced, studied technology and that’s what we’re implementing our mat. We manufacture and produce our products. You know, we don’t redistribute anything. You know, we are involved in the process from start to finish to ensure that quality. We have product liability assurance, you know, FDA registration certification. We got the patent in 2016. We’ve been around for a super long time.

Jake Ross [00:51:10]:
And that’s a very important thing to watch out for. Like, what is assessing the quality of the products they’re using, Especially when you’re like using it for your, you know, general health and wellness, it’s really important to kind of do your due diligence and research. And that’s kind of what Healthy Line was founded on and built on is let’s first focus on quality and building the highest grade product. We can do as much research as possible possible and make sure that we’re providing our customers and our clients with reputable products that they can rely on. And so yeah, I’m glad that you kind of like have done your due diligence and your research and that you’ve kind of discovered that, you know, we do, we are the root in this, in this space. You know, we have the patent for PMF farm for our technology. You know, we have done the testing, we’ve done the manufacturing. You know, we don’t redistribute anybody else’s product.

Jake Ross [00:51:59]:
So we really are drivers in that space. And it’s exciting to be around because now it feels like, you know, longevity recovery, biohacking, it’s. People are really catching up to it. They’re getting really invested in it and they’re excited and they’re motivated and everyone wants to feel their best. And it’s awesome to see, especially when you’re looking at it from our point of view is like, you know, We’ve been prioritizing this for years and, you know, we’re here and we’re excited for it and we’re ready to introduce and educate our audiences to help them implement it to their, in their lives, you know, the way they want to.

Nick Urban [00:52:32]:
Jake, are there any particular myths, misconceptions or things people get wrong that you often hear, whether it’s through the support channels or just from word of mouth when it comes to these modalities?

Jake Ross [00:52:42]:
Yeah, I mean, you know, there’s obviously those misconceptions around the world of like, you know, gemstones where it’s like, you know, a lot of people have questions in terms of, oh, you know, is this, you know, what is the benefit of using amethyst? And does this really, you know, connect with, you know, these specific, you know, takeaways? And how am I gonna. Like what we were talking about earlier when you were saying, are you gonna sit down the mat and feel something immediately? You know, I think any time where something isn’t an immediate response, people become skeptical and that becomes a barrier. And I think what lowers that barrier is the, for example, the 90 day money back guarantee us being like, hey, use it, implement it, utilize it consistently and then assess it. So I think the one learning that I would say for people is like, be prepared to learn and educate yourself and commit yourself to something before taking away any, you know, final conclusions that may, you know, prevent you from, you know, improving your health or at least prioritizing your health with that, which at the end of the day, that’s really what it’s about. And so I think anytime that you’re introducing these natural holistic therapies, everybody likes to, you know, think about holistic versus Western medicine and everything. It’s like, there’s no reason to, you know, separate the two. You know, you can have science backed research and then natural therapies that have been around for centuries and figure out how to bring them into, you know, one product that, you know, provides people real relief. And that’s what we have.

Jake Ross [00:54:12]:
We have people reaching out to us with incredible experiences, utilizing it for different reasons, and most importantly, feeling their best on a daily basis, which I think we can all, you know, that’s all of our aspirations.

Nick Urban [00:54:22]:
Well, Jake, thanks for joining me on the podcast today. If people want to get a hold of you to check out Healthy Line and your mats, I personally have and use the Jet series because it’s the highest power PMF and I think it looks a little more sleek than some of the other options out There. How do people go about finding you?

Jake Ross [00:54:38]:
Yeah, guys, healthyline.com come check out. You know, we have tons of different products. We have advanced models, we have entry level models without pmf. So you can just have like, you know, stone to skin contact and just experience the farm for red. So, you know, explore, learn, ask questions. We have a customer service team ready to kind of help you out and guide you towards the right decision. You know, figure out what you’re looking for and then come to our website and we’re here to help you out. You can check us out on Instagram, healthy line, shop, TikTok, Reddit.

Jake Ross [00:55:09]:
We’re all over, we’re engaging with conversations. We’re excited to talk to you guys and, you know, help you on your wellness journey. So, yeah, that’s where you can find us.

Nick Urban [00:55:18]:
And if you guys want to use the code urban. No, no, outlier 10. I’m an affiliate of theirs, so that should save you 10%. And if you’ve used PMF technology or any of the Healthy Line products, let us know in the comments below because we’d love to hear from you. Jake, any final takeaways for people who have made it this far?

Jake Ross [00:55:38]:
Oh, Nick, this is awesome. You know, when we first, you know, we’re talking about all this stuff, a lot of stuff started flowing out organically and I really appreciate your time and, you know, the care you put into these kind of things and you’re very knowledgeable in the space and you’ve tried so many different products. So your perspective, it’s, you know, we can learn a lot from, you know, how you’ve utilized all these different tools and it’s amazing learning about how our, our product has positively impacted your life. So I’m grateful for the time and I appreciate it.

Nick Urban [00:56:05]:
Pleasure is mine. Thank you so much for joining the podcast today, Jake. Thanks for tuning in to high performance longevity. If you got value today, the best way to support the show is to leave a review or share it with someone who’s ready to upgrade their healthspan. You can find all the episodes, show notes and resources [email protected] until next time, stay energized, stay bioharmonized, and be an outlier.