With Scott Kennedy, Episode 115
What You’ll Learn
- LED vs. laser therapy: Both deliver the same wavelengths, but LEDs are safer, more affordable, and cover larger body areas. The wavelength matters more than the light source [06:52]
- How light produces cellular energy: Specific wavelengths get absorbed by cells and kick-start ATP production, which accounts for 90% of the energy your body needs daily [09:58]
- Red & near-infrared synergy: Red light piggybacks on near-infrared to penetrate deeper into the body, reaching bones, organs, lymphatics, and joints [18:50]
- Why pulsing outperforms continuous light: Pulsed light improves nitric oxide disassociation, reduces the viscosity of the water sheath around cells, and entrains brainwave states like gamma at 40 Hz [26:11]
- Brain entrainment via light: 40 Hz pulsing on the forehead stimulates gamma brainwaves. 7-10 Hz on the stomach reduces anxiety through the gut-brain connection [28:24]
- Customer outcomes: Improved mood, reduced anxiety, lower inflammation, increased workout oxygen, balanced hormones (testosterone, fertility), and better sleep [39:05]
- Combining light with other modalities: Methylene blue is photosensitive to red light and penetrates deeper under it. Hormesis stacking with breathwork, sauna, cold plunge, and fasting amplifies results [47:37]
- Start low and slow: Begin at 2 minutes or further away from the panel. Too much too soon can trigger a Herxheimer response from stagnant lymphatics [50:18]
- Advanced protocol tips: Target shins/long bones for stem cell mobilization. Light continues working in the body for 48-72 hours after a session [57:24]
Why It Matters
Most people spend the majority of their waking hours indoors under artificial lighting stripped of the wavelengths our biology needs. Red light therapy (photobiomodulation) addresses this modern deficit by delivering targeted wavelengths that boost cellular energy production. Scott Kennedy, a certified laser and light specialist who founded LightpathLED after light therapy reduced his own chronic symptoms by over 80%, explains not just what the technology does but why pulsed delivery, correct irradiance, and wavelength selection matter more than raw power. If you own or are considering a red light therapy device, this episode will change how you use it.
Who Should Listen
- Anyone who already owns a red light therapy panel and wants to optimize their protocol (distance, duration, pulsing frequency, body placement)
- People dealing with chronic inflammation, mood issues, sleep disruption, or hormonal imbalances who want a drug-free intervention backed by thousands of studies
- Biohackers looking to understand why pulsed light therapy outperforms continuous-wave devices and how to stack light with other modalities
Pulsed Red Light Therapy for Brain, Energy & Hormones
Scott Kennedy began his career in the dental field, where he witnessed firsthand how a $90,000 dental laser could cut tissue at high power yet dramatically heal TMJ, herpetic lesions, and lymph node swelling when the energy was dispersed at low levels. That observation launched a decade of study under mentors like Dr. Nelson Marquina and photopuncture specialist Kay Aubrey-Chimene, eventually leading Scott to found LightpathLED and open the first light therapy wellness center in New Jersey.
The conversation opens with the LED vs. laser distinction. Scott explains that the wavelength, not the source, determines therapeutic effect. LEDs matched to the same wavelength, power, and pulse frequency as lasers produce virtually identical results at a fraction of the cost and with zero burn risk. He then breaks down why his panels use three specific wavelengths (two reds, one 810nm near-infrared) rather than chasing the marketing trend of adding more wavelengths. The science-driven approach: 810nm penetrates deepest, and red piggybacks on near-infrared to reach organs, bones, and joints.
Pulsing is where this episode gets especially practical. Scott describes three mechanisms behind pulsed light’s superiority: improved nitric oxide disassociation from the mitochondria, reduced viscosity of the exclusion zone water around cells (allowing more nutrients through ion channels), and brainwave entrainment (40 Hz for gamma, 7-10 Hz on the gut for anxiety relief). He also covers the most common benefits his customers report (mood, inflammation, hormones, sleep, workout performance), why sweat blocks absorption, how methylene blue synergizes with red light, and his recommendation to start at just 2 minutes before building to 15-minute sessions.
Key Terms Quick Reference
[06:52] Photobiomodulation (PBM)
Also called low-level light therapy (LLLT). The use of specific wavelengths of red and near-infrared light to stimulate cellular energy production. Started with lasers in the late 1960s; LED-based research has grown significantly in the last 20 years.
[09:58] ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate)
The molecule that provides 90% of the energy your body needs daily. Red and near-infrared light boost ATP production by stimulating mitochondria, creating a cascade of downstream effects including reduced inflammation, increased blood flow, and balanced hormones.
[16:04] Irradiance
The power output of a light therapy device measured in milliwatts per square centimeter. Higher irradiance does not necessarily mean better results. The body prefers lower, sustained power over short bursts of intense energy.
[26:11] Pulsing (Duty Cycle)
Rapidly switching light on and off at specific frequencies. A 50% duty cycle means the light is on half the time. Pulsing improves nitric oxide disassociation, reduces exclusion zone water viscosity around cells, and enables brainwave entrainment.
[47:37] Hormesis
The biological principle that acute stressors (light therapy, cold plunge, sauna, breathwork, fasting, exercise) make the body stronger. These stressors release reactive oxygen species that signal mitochondria to grow, multiply, and produce more ATP.
[34:47] Photopuncture
Applying specific wavelengths and pulsed light to meridian points (like acupuncture, but with light instead of needles). Research has demonstrated that high-power light directed at one meridian point can be detected exiting at another point along the same meridian.
[47:37] Methylene Blue
A photosensitive compound that can be applied topically, ingested, or administered via IV. Under red light, methylene blue penetrates deeper into tissue, amplifying the therapeutic effect of photobiomodulation.
Why Does Pulsed Light Outperform Continuous?
The short answer
Pulsed light keeps nitric oxide from re-blocking mitochondria, makes the water layer around cells less viscous so more nutrients reach ion channels, and entrains brainwaves to therapeutic frequencies like 40 Hz gamma.
What Kennedy found
Pulsing originally existed in lasers purely to prevent thermal damage (tissue relaxation). But researchers discovered pulsed protocols consistently outperformed continuous-wave delivery. Scott outlines three mechanisms. First, nitric oxide disassociation: nitric oxide clings to the mitochondria and blocks ATP production. Continuous light knocks it off, but it reattaches. Pulsing knocks it off repeatedly before it can reattach. Second, the exclusion zone water (EZ water) sheath around cells becomes less viscous under pulsed light, allowing more micronutrients through the ion channels to feed mitochondria. Third, brainwave resonance: 40 Hz pulsing on the forehead stimulates gamma activity, 10 Hz supports alpha, and 7-10 Hz on the stomach reduces anxiety via the gut-brain axis. Research also shows pulsed light accelerates bone fracture healing, wound recovery, and depression relief.
What to do about it
If your device supports pulsing, use it. Start with 10 Hz for general wellness and relaxation. For cognitive enhancement and focus, try 40 Hz directed at the forehead. For anxiety, pulse at 7-10 Hz with the panel aimed at the abdomen. A 50% duty cycle (on half the time, off half the time) is the standard starting point. If your current device is continuous-wave only, you are still getting benefits, but your next upgrade should include adjustable pulse frequencies.
“What they found is pulse light makes that water sheath less viscous and allows more micronutrients to the ion channels to come in and feed the mitochondria, increasing ATP energy.” – Scott Kennedy
Related: Red Light Therapy Benefits
How Does Red Light Therapy Improve Mood & Brain Health?
The short answer
Red light reduces neuroinflammation and promotes vasodilation in the brain’s glymphatic system, allowing toxic substances to drain. Even light applied to the forehead reaches the deepest part of the brain through systemic signaling.
What the evidence shows
Scott reports that mood improvement is the most commonly reported benefit from his customers. The mechanism is straightforward: inflammation in the brain drives conditions from anxiety and depression all the way to Alzheimer’s and dementia. Light therapy’s primary effect, boosting ATP energy, creates a powerful anti-inflammatory cascade. Combined with vasodilation (opening blood vessels), this helps the glymphatic system drain toxicities from the brain. An Australian study demonstrated this systemic reach: mice given a Parkinson’s-inducing chemical showed reduced tremors when light was applied only to the head. When researchers covered the head and applied light only to the body, tremors still decreased almost as much, proving the body-brain connection amplifies light’s neurological effects.
What to do about it
For mood and cognitive benefits, use your panel in the morning between 6-9 AM when mitochondria are most active. Position the panel at about 12 inches from your face. If anxiety is the primary concern, also target the abdomen with 7-10 Hz pulsing to leverage the gut-brain axis. Consistency matters more than duration: light continues working in the body for 48-72 hours after a session, so 4-5 sessions per week builds a cumulative effect.
“Light gets absorbed by our cells and helps create ATP. This ATP is 90% of the energy our bodies need to function daily.” – Scott Kennedy
Related: Biohacks to Increase Brain Health
How Should Beginners Start Light Therapy?
The short answer
Start at 2 minutes, about 12 inches away, on clean dry skin. Build gradually to 15-minute sessions. Listen to your body, and do not assume more power or longer sessions are better.
What Kennedy recommends
Scott warns against the common mistake of jumping straight into long sessions. If your lymphatic system is stagnant and the body starts pulling toxins with nowhere for them to go, you can trigger a Herxheimer response: headache, brain fog, and general malaise. It is a good sign (the body is trying to detoxify), but it means you need to back off. The ideal progression is to start at 2 minutes or stand further from the panel, then build to about 15 minutes at 12 inches. That delivers the correct joules to the cells that studies show produce beneficial effects. Scott also emphasizes that the body does not need massive power all at once. High-irradiance devices used at point-blank range for 30 seconds may deliver the correct total joules, but the body prefers lower, sustained delivery. Once you are established, trust your intuition: if 10 minutes feels sufficient, stop. If 15 minutes feels great and you want a few more, continue.
Common mistakes
- Using the panel over clothing, lotions, or sweaty skin (all block absorption)
- Chasing maximum irradiance instead of optimal dosing at moderate power
- Skipping days then doing extra-long sessions (consistency of 4-5x per week beats occasional marathons)
- Using light therapy immediately after a sauna (sweat reflects light; do light first, then sauna)
- Ignoring the gut: abdominal exposure at 7-10 Hz can reduce anxiety via the gut-brain connection
Protocol based on Scott Kennedy’s clinical experience operating the first light therapy wellness center in New Jersey and years of research under Dr. Nelson Marquina and Kay Aubrey-Chimene.
Decision Checklist
- Choose a panel with both red (600-700nm) and near-infrared (810nm) wavelengths for maximum depth and synergy
- Prioritize devices with adjustable pulse frequencies over devices that only advertise high irradiance
- Start at 2 minutes, 12 inches away, on clean dry skin. Build to 15 minutes over several weeks
- Use the panel in the morning (6-9 AM) when mitochondria are most active, or in the evening if sleep improvement is the goal
- Remove all clothing, lotions, and sweat from the treatment area before each session
- For mood and cognitive support, pulse at 40 Hz directed at the forehead
- For anxiety relief, pulse at 7-10 Hz directed at the abdomen
- For stem cell mobilization, expose shins and long bones to near-infrared
- Aim for 4-5 sessions per week. Light continues working in the body for 48-72 hours, so daily sessions compound
- Alternate front and back exposure on different days, or do 15 minutes each side in one session
- Stack with breathwork, sauna (after light, not before), cold plunge, or methylene blue for amplified hormetic benefits
- Athletes: use light about 2 hours before training for peak vasodilation and oxygen delivery to muscles
Source: Scott Kennedy’s Light Therapy Protocol, LightpathLED
Frequently Asked Questions
What is the difference between LED & laser light therapy?
Both deliver the same therapeutic wavelengths. LEDs are safer (no burn risk), more affordable, and can cover the entire body with large panels. Lasers are limited to spot treatments and cost significantly more. Research confirms that as long as the wavelength, power, and pulsing are matched, LEDs and lasers produce virtually identical results.
Why is pulsed red light therapy better than continuous?
Pulsed light outperforms continuous delivery through three mechanisms: it repeatedly knocks nitric oxide off mitochondria (preventing reattachment that blocks ATP production), it reduces the viscosity of the water layer around cells so more nutrients reach ion channels, and it enables brainwave entrainment at specific frequencies like 40 Hz for gamma activity.
How long should a red light therapy session last?
Beginners should start at 2 minutes and gradually build to about 15 minutes at 12 inches from the panel. The body prefers lower, sustained power over short bursts of high irradiance. Trust your intuition once established. If 10 minutes feels sufficient, that is fine. Light continues working in the body for 48 to 72 hours after a session.
Can I use red light therapy in an infrared sauna?
It is not recommended. Sweat reflects red and near-infrared wavelengths, significantly reducing absorption. For best results, use light therapy on clean, dry skin before entering the sauna. The order matters: light first, then sauna.
What does red light therapy help with?
The most commonly reported benefits include improved mood, reduced anxiety, lower inflammation, better sleep, increased workout performance through vasodilation and oxygen delivery, balanced hormones (including testosterone and fertility), and faster wound healing. Light therapy creates these effects primarily by boosting ATP energy production in cells.
Does red light therapy help with weight loss?
Studies show statistically significant weight loss from light therapy, but the real-world mechanism is indirect. Light therapy improves sleep quality, boosts mood (reducing cravings), increases oxygen delivery for harder workouts, and reduces inflammation for faster recovery between sessions. These combined effects support a weight loss lifestyle rather than directly burning fat.
Products, Tools, & Resources Mentioned
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Light therapy devices
LightpathLED Pulsed Red Light Therapy Panels: Scott Kennedy’s panels featuring 3 wavelengths (2 red, 1 near-infrared at 810nm), adjustable pulse frequencies, and optional blue light. Use code URBAN to save 10%.
Complementary modalities
Methylene Blue: Photosensitive compound that penetrates deeper into tissue under red light. Can be applied topically, ingested, or administered via IV. See our best methylene blue supplements guide.
Teachers & mentors
Dr. Nelson Marquina: Physicist and chiropractor in Virginia with 50 years of laser experience. One of Scott’s primary mentors in photobiomodulation.
Kay Aubrey-Chimene: Photopuncture specialist in Arizona. Taught Scott the meridian-based application of light therapy.
Related articles
Best Red Light Therapy Devices Reviewed & Compared: Comprehensive comparison of home-use panels including LightpathLED, Joovv, and alternatives.
LightpathLED Review: In-depth review of the Diesel series panels discussed in this episode.
About Scott Kennedy
Scott Kennedy is a certified laser and light specialist, health coach, and founder of LightpathLED. He started in the dental field where he worked with high-powered dental lasers before recognizing the healing potential of low-level light therapy. In 2018, he opened the first light therapy wellness center in New Jersey. His own journey into photobiomodulation began after a health crisis left him sedentary; within four months of using light therapy, his symptoms decreased by over 80%. Scott now creates some of the most feature-packed consumer panels on the market, including pulsed delivery, multiple wavelengths, and optional blue light. His mission is helping others get back to doing what they love without pain or pills. Connect with Scott via lightpathled.com or the “Red Light Therapy for Beginners” Facebook group.

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Full Episode Transcript
Nick Urban [00:00:00]: I’m always looking around for the therapeutics, health modalities, and things we can do that have the greatest possible effects and benefits and the fewest side effects. Today’s episode, I’m looking forward to sharing everything you need to know about light therapy, and not just your average house light, the sunlight, or even red light therapy. But everything you need to know about how the different parameters you can tweak, the type of light, the color of the spectrum, the rate at which it flickers, if it flickers at all, how these all impact your health, your performance, and your bioharmony. I’m your host, Nick Urban. Thanks for tuning in to the Mind Body Peak Performance podcast.
Nick Urban [00:02:44]: Scott Kennedy. Welcome to Mind Body Peak Performance.
Scott Kennedy [00:02:48]: Alright. Thanks so much, Nick.
Nick Urban [00:02:50]: I’ve been looking forward to this one because light is a topic that’s near and dear to my heart. I first talked about light therapy on the podcast back a while ago, a couple years ago on episode number 5. And then on the near infrared spectrum more recently in I think it was episode number 101. So we will pick up the conversation today and talk about both red light therapy and light in general and some of your background and how you got into this whole industry.
Scott Kennedy [00:03:21]: You know, I started back in the dental field years ago in the military. And then when I got out, I got into doing dental hygiene. And then after I’ve dealt with so many back and wrist pains from repetitive work, I started doing more sales and training. So I was working with a laser company. So very high powered, you know, $90,000 laser that would cut teeth instead of a drill. It would cut soft tissue instead of a scalpel. We’d use it for root canals. We’d use it for extractions. But the same laser that if I took and I put right here, you know, I’d sizzle a hole right through the cheek. If I pulled it back, dispersed the energy over a larger area, we were seeing dramatic improvements in people with TMJ issues that could barely open. 3 minutes on either side and just a giant difference.
Nick Urban [00:05:27]: I wanna dig into that some more. You’ve already mentioned something that I don’t usually differentiate and that is the difference between light and lasers. But before we get into that side of things, first, what are the unusual or nonnegotiables you’ve done so far today for your health, your performance, and your bioharmony?
Scott Kennedy [00:05:50]: Oh gosh. I haven’t done anything for my health today. So what I’ve got planned today is usually, like, in the evenings, I’ll do my infrared sauna, which I love. Most of the time in the morning, I get to my light. I also own a campground. So there’s a lot of work to be done outside. So my go-to’s are breathwork. I love my Wim Hof. I love doing my light in the morning. I love if I’ve got time to do my infrared sauna in the evening. And then the things I just need to work on is my diet.
Nick Urban [00:06:41]: Well, we’ll unpack some of that in a bit. But first, what is the difference between light and lasers?
Scott Kennedy [00:06:52]: We started photobiomodulation, also known as low level light or low level laser therapy, LLLT. It started with lasers back in the late sixties. So all the studies from starting back in 1968, all the way until about somewhere in the eighties and nineties, it was all focused on laser. There was this thought that only lasers were gonna be effective and LEDs were not. So what’s most important is the wavelength that they produce. Whether that wavelength is in that red 600 to 700, whether it’s in that near infrared 800 to about 1100, 1200, whether that’s coming from a laser or an LED really doesn’t matter. The differences are very slight. But as long as we’ve got the same wavelength, similar power, similar pulsing, they’re gonna act very similar.
Nick Urban [00:09:36]: Okay. That makes sense. How does it work in the body? I know there’s a lot of talk about mitochondria and cytochrome c oxidase. Are there any easy to understand mechanisms behind light and specifically red light?
Scott Kennedy [00:09:58]: If I were to really simplify it, if we think about photosynthesis with plants, plants take in light. That is their energy. Our body takes in light, whether it’s sunlight or we find the specific wavelengths of light from sunlight that are really positive to the body. That light gets absorbed by our cells. Our cells then just, it’s like a kick start. It gets them to produce more ATP energy, which is simply put, 90 percent of the energy that our bodies need daily. It does one thing, but it does it really, really well. And from there, the body can do that cascade of effects, whether that’s balancing hormones, reducing inflammation, increasing blood flow, increasing oxygen.
Nick Urban [00:18:50]: Is that because when you have multiple different frequencies or wavelengths of red light, you are getting a synergistic effect out of them?
Scott Kennedy [00:18:50]: When you are doing red and near infrared at the same time, what’s really fascinating is near infrared will penetrate much deeper into the body. Red is just below skin because it gets absorbed in the blood. Near infrared gets absorbed much further in, 1 to 2 inches. The red will piggyback on the near infrared and get pulled deeper into the body. So whether a company is doing red and near infrared together, that’s occurring. Red is good for superficial. Near infrared is good for deeper issues: bone, brain, organs, lymphatics, joints, cartilage. Those are the two most penetrating wavelengths. So best to combine them.
Scott Kennedy [00:26:11]: So pulse started out with lasers because they wanted to reduce the heat effect. It’s called tissue relaxation. So it’s just that split second where that tissue doesn’t have that heat. But what they found through the research, and they’re still kind of trying to figure out the exact rationale for why it’s working better, they know it works better. The few theories are nitric oxide disassociation, which means that nitric oxide wants to hang on to the mitochondria and blocks it from working. So light comes and hits it, knocks it off. But with pulsing, it’s constantly doing that. Around the cells is a water sheath. What they found is pulse light makes that water sheath less viscous and allows more micronutrients to the ion channels to come in and feed the mitochondria, increasing ATP energy. The third is resonance. So when we talk about brain waves, alpha, gamma, beta, delta, they have a frequency to them. Light can help mimic that. So 40 hertz on the forehead is really beneficial for gamma.
Scott Kennedy [00:39:05]: The two ones that I really like that I hear a lot of is it improves mood. Whether it’s from anxiety, depression, all the way up to Alzheimer’s and dementia, there’s inflammation in the brain. One of the biggest things that light does when it increases ATP energy is it creates an anti-inflammatory effect. Two, vasodilation. If we create vasodilation, open up those vessels, it helps to drain toxicities from the brain as well. Anything dealing with inflammation is gonna be beneficial. That’s why a lot of professional athletes are using light to reduce injury, lower inflammation between workouts. Light balances hormones. So whether you’re hyper or hypo, it’s gonna bring them even.
Scott Kennedy [00:47:37]: Methylene Blue is a big one. It’s photosensitive to the red light, so it’ll actually penetrate deeper in through the tissue. When we talk about stacking, I like the word hormesis. Hormesis is acute stressors on the body. Acute stressors can be anything from red light, infrared sauna, cold plunges, exercise, breathwork, fasting. Acute stress triggers the release of reactive oxygen species. They then signal back to the mitochondria and say, hey guys, we’re under stress, get your ass in gear. So mitochondria will then grow bigger. They will populate. They will produce more ATP energy.
Scott Kennedy [00:50:18]: When someone is first starting with light, I don’t say just jump in and do your 15 minutes. I say, start at 2 minutes or start further away because that light can be too much for the body all at once. If your lymphatic system is stagnant and your body is trying to pull toxins out, but it’s got nowhere to go, you’re gonna create a Herx response. It’s not a bad thing, but you’re gonna have a little headache. It says your body’s trying, but it needs to just take things a little bit slower.
Nick Urban [00:57:24]: Are there any more advanced things people can do? Like, if I want to mobilize stem cells, I could apply it to my shins or focus on my shins. And if I want to stimulate gamma brainwaves, I can put it closer to my head.
Scott Kennedy [00:57:57]: Red is only gonna penetrate so far regardless of the time and the power because it’s absorbed in the blood. Near infrared is only gonna penetrate so far. The body prefers lower and slower. With a large device, it takes a lot of the thought out of it. Stripped down, I can get anywhere from my toes up to the top of my head.
Nick Urban [00:59:54]: Well, Scott, we will start to wind down. If people are interested in connecting with you and trying some of your pulsing, best in class light panels, how do they go about getting in contact with you?
Scott Kennedy [01:00:19]: So the website is lightpathled.com. I also have a Facebook group, so you could just search Red Light Therapy for Beginners. That’s a great way for people whether you have my light or someone else’s to ask questions and get responses either from me or from other people in the community.
Nick Urban [01:01:10]: Use code URBAN to save 10%. I’ll put all this in the show notes with the links to everything we’ve discussed.




