Somatic Intelligence: How The Nervous System Determines Your Success or Burnout

Sheridan Ruth [00:00:00]:
Everyone is afraid of success. We are afraid of being seen. We are afraid of being judged. We are afraid that we will outgrow our friends.

Nick Urban [00:00:08]:
You’re listening to High Performance Longevity. The show exploring a better path to optimal health for those daring to live as an outlier in a world of averages. I’m your host, Nick Urban, bioharmonizer, performance coach, and lifelong student of both modern science and ancestral wisdom. Each week we decode the tools, tactics and timeless principles to help you optimize your mind, body and performance span. Things you won’t find on Google or in your AI tool of choice. From cutting edge biohacks to grounded lifestyle practices, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to look, feel and perform at your best across all of life’s domains. Sheridan, welcome to the podcast.

Sheridan Ruth [00:01:00]:
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

Nick Urban [00:01:02]:
So, as listeners will know, the role of the nervous system and burnout have been topics that I’ve covered a bit recently. I’m curious how you got involved in this and some of the if there are any controversial takes you have on the world of nervous system regulation and stress.

Sheridan Ruth [00:01:22]:
I think my number one controversial take lately would be, I think that a lot of people enter into this space and all the things that we do that are supposed to support us having more energy for life, actually causing us depletion and causing us burnout and maybe we can get into a little bit around that later on. The nervous system has become so popular in the last couple of years, but I got into it when it was still this weird thing and honestly I was really struggling with my mental health. I had experienced the suicide of my ex partner. I lost a lot of my hair when I was 7 and 8 years old and I was still struggling with the repercussions of my self esteem on that. And I was in this foreign country and I was living there all by myself and I had a lot of misfortune, I suppose you could call it. Or I feel like I discovered a really dark side of humans and I was diagnosed with complex post traumatic stress disorder and I was teaching yoga. We kind of talked about the nervous system like that’s what it was that we were doing. But it was never framed in that way, in the way that it is now.

Sheridan Ruth [00:02:43]:
I was teaching yoga. I was not okay. I, I just come out of this really difficult experience and I was also in a job in finance and so my world was just not everything felt tense. And I remember like being on my yoga mat one day and just knowing yoga is helping with this a Little bit, but it’s, it’s not enough. And just started Googling things. And I was like, what is this? And I found somatic therapy and I found, you know, mindfulness. And then everything snowballed from that moment. I started coaching and then I started mentoring and coaching other wellness practitioners.

Sheridan Ruth [00:03:26]:
And then that turned into burnout coaching because everyone got burnt out. And then I wrote a book and it turned out the book was about burnout. And it’s just been something that has naturally come to me.

Nick Urban [00:03:41]:
Will you explain what somatics are for listeners? Yeah.

Sheridan Ruth [00:03:44]:
So sober is a word and it’s, there’s Greek history behind it. It’s been used medicinally. Like it’s been used in yogic and Vedic texts. Just means body. It means your body. So when you see things like somatic yoga. I was just on my YouTube and I saw somatic yoga practice and I was like, that’s ridiculous. Like it’s just body based Yoga practice.

Sheridan Ruth [00:04:10]:
So it’s anything that is utilizing the intelligence or this experience of your body.

Nick Urban [00:04:17]:
So then what is somatic intelligence in the way you frame it?

Sheridan Ruth [00:04:22]:
Yeah. So somatic intelligence, okay. If you think about cells, right? In healthy, in a healthy environment, every cell has a function. It has a job that it does. It does that job quite well when it’s supported to do that job well. And it works in conjunction with, with all of the other cells so that you are happy, healthy and you feel, you feel good, you feel like you’re doing what you’re doing, you’re healthy, everyone is happy. Somatic intelligence pull is a theory and a lot of it comes from Vedic theories of karma and purpose. And we can link that back to Christian.

Sheridan Ruth [00:05:04]:
And it’s philosophical, but it’s the theory that if you’re really following what your body is telling you, this is what makes me thrive. Then you are doing your part for society by doing your specific function in the world which supports everyone else doing their function in the world. And then we can all live harmoniously.

Nick Urban [00:05:26]:
How do you tune into your body to know what it’s telling you that you need to do or it needs in order to thrive?

Sheridan Ruth [00:05:33]:
Well, let’s start with yes and no. How do you feel yes in your body and how do you feel no in your body? And how do you differentiate between a yes or intuition and fear? Have you ever thought about that?

Nick Urban [00:05:44]:
Yes, because I’ve thought of this and I’ve gone through this previously. But explain like, I think that might even be a foreign concept to a lot of people. Listening is like how do you know if your body is telling you yes or no? Especially because there’s certain times where I’m sure everyone’s experienced it like a very strong visceral reaction to something, usually negative. But there’s also lesser degrees of that at the same time for everyday decisions that aren’t necessarily majorly consequential.

Sheridan Ruth [00:06:14]:
Yeah. And it’s complicated because sometimes we think that it’s a no. We’re like, oh, no, that’s bad. Or do you have that friend that keeps dating the wrong people? And all of their yeses are for people that are risky, bad for them. But as soon as you introduce them to someone who’s really good for them, they’re like, no, that’s bad. It’s hard. Like, in your purest, purest essence, your body would have a natural yes and no response that would support it. And you’ll feel that if somebody says, do you want some peanut butter or do you want a cheese toastie? You’ll have a preference.

Sheridan Ruth [00:06:56]:
You’ll feel a yes or a no. What happens is that as humans, we are exposed to you. You’ve spoken about this. We’re exposed to all of these habits that take us away from our gut instinct and our nervous system also learns about life and develops coping mechanisms based off of the pain that it’s trying to avoid or the conditions that it’s trying to create from since we were a kid. So when you were a kid, you might have known, I’m going to stay with the relationship because it feels true today. And it’s the example that I have. You might have known that that was that person over there that your family was introducing you to, that they were just not a great person. But your mom was like, you need to be polite and you need to go and give them a hug.

Sheridan Ruth [00:07:49]:
And your body was saying no, but you learned to override that so that you could come back into society. Now let’s pull that to business or work as an adult. Your job is to unlearn those things so that you have a healthy ability to pick up. Is this person actually going to be healthy for me or not? In the same way we do with food, you have to unlearn the desire to eat a lot of sugar so that you can get in contact with what your body actually needs.

Nick Urban [00:08:29]:
And then these opportunities also, I’m sure, persist in the working world. It’s not only when you’re younger, but like business opportunities. And it looks really good on paper, but then you feel bad about it or you feel something’s off there. And yet perhaps we pursue it, perhaps we don’t. And, and oftentimes with hindsight, that feeling turns out to be correct. But it’s very difficult to listen to when the facts on paper look really appealing.

Sheridan Ruth [00:08:58]:
Yeah. And that’s a larger conversation around trusting facts on paper versus trusting felt sense. And when, especially when there are other people involved, when is it appropriate to trust that? And how much trust do we give to individuals? And the responsibility of asking somebody to trust your felt sense, It’s a very big responsibility if you, if you bring in other people into your life. You have to really do your work to know. Okay, well, I’ve got this feeling. Is that actually, am I tapping into something bigger there or am I just anxious? On top of that, we’ve got this whole, you know, whatever is uncertain, your body will reject. It will feel uncomfortable. So resting on the weekend, big yes for the body.

Sheridan Ruth [00:09:52]:
But it might feel like a no at first.

Nick Urban [00:09:54]:
I heard something recently with it’s like a study of a lot of the big CEOs of huge, some of the biggest multinational corporations on earth. And it turns out they have a disproportionately high ability to listen to their gut and make the proper decisions based on gut, given the same information as the lower performing CEOs. So it’s interesting to see that that plays out in the business world also. But the one pushback I’m sure I’m going to hear, we’re going to hear in the comments, is that like, yeah, that makes sense. But what about the mismatch between the way we are raised and the, I guess the things that are in front of us from modern living? For example, you might know that you should eat what sounds right to your body. But if you’ve been given sugar and ultra processed food, the Doritos and the Twinkies and all these things, it’s hard to push those aside and say, you know what broccoli is, what really my body’s craving and wants right now. It’s not these other things because of the way they’ve altered our neurochemistry and biology.

Sheridan Ruth [00:10:56]:
It’s incredibly difficult and it requires a lot of creativity. It requires a lot of patience, it requires a lot of support. And some days I feel like I have the answer. Some days I feel really lost and that I can’t figure it out. But what I do know is that two things, and I guess if we would only take away these two things from this, a whole experience, and that would probably be enough, which is number One, you can make the choice to do the work, to get in touch with those things. Now, I’m not a nutritionist, so I can’t speak to sugar, but I could. We have. I’ve done a lot of coaching around sugar with my clients.

Sheridan Ruth [00:11:49]:
I’m a somatic trauma therapist, meaning I know how to help people, and my book teaches how to help people. Untangle the fear that your people pleaser has around yours, but theirs or around. If they say no, well, how will that work? What will happen? People still need to laugh. All of those thoughts that you’re having right now. Yeah. And underneath that, what if it was okay? What if that thought that you’re having is an understandable. Let’s just say resistance. But it’s.

Sheridan Ruth [00:12:27]:
It doesn’t actually mean that it won’t be okay. Or if you were to slow down, or if you would be okay with like, slow growth instead of fast growth or a really high income instead of the highest income, it would still be okay. So we have to untangle that. And that’s a lot of sitting with the body, sitting with our feelings. What do I feel about what emotion does that? Where does that come from? Is that mine? Is that truly what I believe is, is it’s a lot of that. And then you have to actually get really creative because the rest of the world is not doing it. And it’s not set up yet or always to support. And I don’t know if it’s ever going to be.

Nick Urban [00:13:16]:
I guess it starts with, like, reverse engineering. What is the outcome that I really want here? Because if my desire is to have the most money, the most social status, the most flashy things, whatever it is, I’m not going to inherently settle for anything less than that. And I’m going to jack up my nervous system in pursuit of that. But if I’m okay with, like, perhaps happiness is a higher value to me or like quality social time or whatever, then I can realize that perhaps it’s okay if I have a little less of the financial success or business success or whatever other kind of success to accommodate the other higher priority.

Sheridan Ruth [00:13:54]:
In this context, when you say jack up your nervous system, what do you mean?

Nick Urban [00:13:58]:
Well, if I just. If I want to be the very top of something, it’s going to require a lot of pushing. It’s recovery too. But, like, I’m not going to necessarily want to spend as much time going inward and being okay with having a little less. And instead I’m going to want to do everything I can to chase forward and pursue that which won’t necessarily be in service of my happiness per se, or at least my longer term happiness, but it’ll be in service of, like, the ultimate goal that I have.

Sheridan Ruth [00:14:29]:
But then you’re equating having that with needing to push forward to have it. And we’re not saying that being okay with less doesn’t equal. It doesn’t equal not pursuing the goal. Nobody’s letting go of the goal. It’s how do I go about the goal. When we go forward and we untangle and we are okay with less. Now what we’ve created is equanimity and calm thought. I’m not, I’m no longer.

Sheridan Ruth [00:15:03]:
And no parts of me are, are unconsciously, sneakily attached to this goal. So when I show up, not only am I the most well rested person in the room, I’m the one who is thinking the most clear and the most creative, which tells me I’m going to get the most out of that conversation.

Nick Urban [00:15:28]:
Okay, so what I think I’m understanding is that by doing some of the inner work and untangling things going on in my subconscious, then I, when I go forward and I go into a conversation, to a meeting, whatever it is, then I have more clarity and less, like, subconscious things pulling me in different directions.

Sheridan Ruth [00:15:48]:
Exactly. It takes an incredible amount of energy to be in a stress response. And it takes a lot of your brain’s energy away from, from the parts of your brain that are innovative, that help build trust with other people. And so when we have these quite ambitious goals and when we’re doing anything that is new that requires more capacity of us, one way to increase our nervous system capacity for that goal is to get rid of all of the stuff, all of the fears that you’re holding that cloud, your judgment, all or that people can feel in you. They’re like, oh, why are they so attached to this? Why do they care so much about this? Or that guy’s really nervous. I’m going to take advantage of that. Like, they really seem to care or, I don’t know, something feels off. They’re attaching their ego to this.

Sheridan Ruth [00:16:46]:
I spent a lot of time in the startup community here in Melbourne, and so I speak with a lot of VC investors and we speak a lot, or we have been speaking a lot about the presence of the founder’s ego and how there’s a. It’s interesting because a lot of people who apply for funding are these, you know, people with really big egos. And I, I would put myself in that category sometimes and, and you know, the VCs have kind of said to me, like, it’s. It’s funny because it’s an interesting balance. You need that healthy ego. But when it’s related to pushing, improving and moving forward, you know that they are not going to be a good founder. They’re too. I do consulting and support for a VC firm because a lot of their founders have too many emotional ups and downs because they’re just too attached because of all of that stuff.

Sheridan Ruth [00:17:51]:
I’ve got to prove this is what my dad thought. This is what makes me successful. If I don’t have that money, then I’m going to. And it, like, becomes a lot.

Nick Urban [00:17:59]:
It’s kind of a paradox. When you have too much ego, then it can detract from your mission as a founder. But if you don’t have enough, obviously, then you’re not going to be a good founder because you’re also not invested in your mission and you’re not emotionally as present as you would be if you had more of an ego. So again, it seems like the strategy there is to, like, go inside, figure out what all the strings are attached to, where they’re pulling you in different directions. Once you get clear on that and you untangle some of them, then you can move forward with a healthy level of ego, 100%.

Sheridan Ruth [00:18:37]:
And it’s interesting because I think a lot of us who have a goal, we actually hook onto that goal from a place of fear or wanting to change something. We’re angry about something, or we want to make sure something else doesn’t happen. A lot of people, like, I grew up really poor, so I want to make sure that I have money or I got really sick. And so I want to make sure that I never have to work at an office again. Or. Or I saw this really awful thing happen to people who are important to me. I want to make sure that I build a company that makes sure that that doesn’t happen. And that’s really helpful.

Sheridan Ruth [00:19:12]:
And I’m beginning to develop this theory. I’m actually curious, Nick, what you would say. I think sometimes we have to, like, latch onto that, go for it, and then step back and release all of it, and then hook right back on. And you have more clarity, you have more energy, and you have more momentum because you’re doing it now from a healthy place. But the goal doesn’t. The goal doesn’t really need to change. You’re just going to be a healthier person moving forward.

Nick Urban [00:19:40]:
And that sounds all well and good, but it requires a bit of a trust fall, because to be actively pursuing it and then just to stop and get a higher vantage on the goal and where you’re going, you have to be relatively like, confident and sure that by taking the foot off the gas and stepping back that you’re not going to be going off track and getting behind.

Sheridan Ruth [00:20:07]:
And that’s a really common fear. If I do this, will I. Will I fall behind? I’ve never worked with a client where it’s felt like a trust fall because we work with those voices to make sure that it doesn’t. So, okay, well, what do you need? What do you need to make sure that it doesn’t feel like you’re getting behind? And also, I think that where I come in the trustful is saying yes to working with me. It’s like, I don’t know what I’m going to find, but I’m just going to sign this contract and send you this money and we’re going to do it. And then, yeah, in some ways it does. And in some ways we have to just come to that place where we’re like, what am I willing to do?

Nick Urban [00:20:52]:
What are some of the common themes or things that come up? Of course there’ll be like the parental influence of like, I need to succeed because my dad or mom, whatever said that it’s important to be like, financially independent, whatever. Like, I want the social prestige of having a successful exit. What are the common themes that you see repeatedly coming up across your clients?

Sheridan Ruth [00:21:14]:
Big one is I need to prove that I’m smart or I’m like something. Enough. There’s a lot around trying to avoid existential uncertainty and pain, especially with people who are really purpose driven. I want to help the environment in this way. I want to help underprivileged people in this way. And a lot of it we have to sit with. That really uncomfortable sense of the world is really unfair and we actually don’t know what will happen. And it’s really hard.

Sheridan Ruth [00:21:51]:
We have to find ways to navigate that that don’t include overworking or beating themselves up or whatever it is. So we’ve got. I want to prove it to my parents. Existential. Existential grief in a way, around the lack of support in the world.

Nick Urban [00:22:08]:
Clients were coming to you. I’m going to assume they’re not aware that this is going on in the background. Hence they’re coming to you and you’re helping them figure these things out. And then how is it that you’re arriving at that destination of them understanding, oh, I’m Actually chasing this so hard and not willing to let go or at least take a step back and examine where I’m going because of uncertainty and because of like lack of confidence or whatever it is.

Sheridan Ruth [00:22:37]:
We use somatic practices. I have a practice that I share and we use our curiosity and it’s very client led. They will know more about what’s happening and what inside of their body. The first thing we do is we increase their capacity to feel what’s happening in their body. I have a sensation in here, I have an emotion in here. We get language, we increase that introspection. Then with the develop the capacity to be curious about what it means, which means not taking that feeling of like my body kind of leaned forward and it felt really excited when I saw that email versus my body leaned back and I felt like. And there’s like this thing in my stomach when I saw that other email and we say okay, cool.

Sheridan Ruth [00:23:30]:
We, we develop a lot of curiosity and the skill of being curious and non judgmental towards those so that then by the end they can walk away and they can be really aware of what’s going on in their body and they have the ability to track back. Oh, okay. So when I felt that thing in my belly, it was saying no. But what I’m actually really afraid of when I trace that back and I got down to the emotion and I kind of got a felt sense and I got like, I kind of had a dialogue with it. What I’m actually afraid of is success. Ah, that’s the third one. Everyone is afraid of success. We are afraid of being seen.

Sheridan Ruth [00:24:08]:
We are afraid of being judged. We afraid that our partner won’t love us if we make more money than them. We are afraid that we will outgrow our friends. We are afraid that we’ll become somebody that we don’t want or something, that it will all fall away.

Nick Urban [00:24:22]:
I think I agree with you. That is a common thing that comes up. But then the ego also tells us that’s not the case. Or something in us is tell us that. No, no, not for us. Like we’re not afraid of succeeding. How do you peel back the layers there to figure out if this is an actual persistent like inner conflict, inner tension between the what like your, I don’t know if it’s your ego, what it is that’s telling you that it’s totally fine and it’s not an issue versus like your subconscious which is processing it as a core issue.

Sheridan Ruth [00:24:52]:
Yeah. So what you’re talking about is when you kind of have Those two conflicting voices inside. And when you’re like, oh, I’m a little bit concerned about this and another voice is like, logically, these are reasons why that does not make any sense. Yeah, yeah, we get past that. So that’s like what I would call part to part conflict. It’s really helpful short term, it’s really exhausting. Long term, you can’t outlogic all of that stuff. So we say, okay, cool.

Sheridan Ruth [00:25:18]:
Yep, you’re completely right. Sure. And let’s go deeper into the part that keeps bringing up this concern and understand why it keeps bringing it up so that we can stop bringing it up. And if there is something that we really need to know, we will uncover it and we will make an action plan to move forward or we will give that energy in your system a better thing to do. That is not false alarm.

Nick Urban [00:25:50]:
I think part of it also is that some component of the body and the nervous system will tell us that, no, this isn’t an issue. This over here is not an issue. There really are no issues. Currently. Everything is great, except for some reason, things aren’t working out the way they should be. How do you figure out, I mean, you mentioned that you take clients through a process to tune into sensations in their body, in their stomach, different parts of their body when they’re doing things and reading emails. How do you continue to like probe and go deeper to see what these are? Because I can imagine like throughout the day there’s all kinds of emails, messages, meetings, calls that happen. And like each of those is going to bring us one direction or another in business or outside of business.

Nick Urban [00:26:34]:
And I guess if we keep an awareness, we like maybe log down the different events that happen and the plus or minus in terms of like how we feel as a result, like are we tensing our muscles or are we totally relaxed and feeling a little more joy? Is there a best practice around how to actually implement this into our routine to figure out what these might be?

Sheridan Ruth [00:26:56]:
You can use this, what I’m about to share, to help you log and really say to your body, okay, like, everything is totally fine, we’re good. And also figure out what, what you actually want to give your attention to, to go inside and do inquiry is fun for some people. It’s a really good way to procrastinate and it’s absolutely essential as well in other ways. But the thing is, like you said, we can’t process everything. That’s a waste of, waste of time. But it’s a waste of time. You’re gonna ask yourself what am I aware of? 3 times a day, and you’re gonna notice one sensation, one thought process. When I say thought process, I mean you’re gonna make a topic sentence that says, I’m having thoughts about chicken dinner.

Sheridan Ruth [00:27:39]:
Like, it’s not I’m having. It’s one sentence I’m having thoughts about. You’re not going to go into those thoughts. So one sensation. Get more curious about. I can feel my legs on my seat or I can feel my headphones. Okay. I can feel kind of a sensation in my belly that’s kind of like hunger, but it’s not hunger because I just ate.

Sheridan Ruth [00:28:04]:
Oh, okay. Interesting. Like that type of thing. One sensation, one thought, one emotion. And then sometimes, depending on what’s going on, you might find stillness. If you find stillness, you probably don’t have thoughts and emotions and sensations and just write them down three times a day at minimum, and then begin to see what keeps reoccurring. And I have a list of sensations and a list of emotions in my book. And so you have that.

Sheridan Ruth [00:28:41]:
You can have that graph next to you to kind of pick them out. There are heaps of them on the Internet as well. You can get them for free. Just say, okay, what is reoccurring? There are apps that do this. There’s a feeling app that does this. It’s really great as well. Like, it’s in everything. And then for those of us who have experienced pain and difficulty in the past, this helps because it can help you look at it and say, okay, that’s on paper.

Sheridan Ruth [00:29:06]:
I’ve written it down. It’s really helpful to use your hand. Okay. Yep. No, things are okay. There’s something. Something weird going on. There might be a part of me that’s worried that now because I have more money, it’s going to be like my uncle who had money and then went bankrupt.

Sheridan Ruth [00:29:23]:
But okay, it looks okay. And we can just keep reminding ourselves that. And that actually is a practice that at some point will settle and is essential. You’ve got to be careful around that and do it softly and carefully, not logically and hard. And that can be a skill that we need to develop if we don’t already have it. It’s not logic enforcing. It’s like loving and care and like, okay, which can be uncomfortable sometimes. And then also what you do when you have that list is at the end of the week, if you notice, oh, I had this weird thing in my back keep occurring, or I was noticing that I was tense in my jaw, or I was irritable this week I just kept, I kept being irritable.

Sheridan Ruth [00:30:12]:
That’s the point where you go back and you say, okay, well there’s something there, let’s just have a look at it. There are advanced practices for us to start.

Nick Urban [00:30:18]:
Yeah. I did a version of this a couple years ago because I was in a boat where I felt like I couldn’t actually feel the way I wanted to. And I wasn’t getting the cues I’m sure my body was giving me. So every 20 minutes for a week, I had an alarm, my phone, and it would remind me to stop and check in. What am I thinking, what am I feeling and what am I wanting? And by the end of like the second day I’m like, oh, okay, I can all of a sudden do this. And it got easier and easier. But to me, setting an alarm was a really good way of making it a habit so that I did it. And to this day I still, I don’t do it as much anymore because that’s way too intensive.

Nick Urban [00:30:55]:
But I still have two alarms a day to check in and do that same thing and figure out what’s going on internally and matching that to the external events.

Sheridan Ruth [00:31:04]:
Yeah, I love that you chose to go with what am I wanting? What did you learn from asking yourself that question?

Nick Urban [00:31:09]:
Sometimes it would vary. I mean, depends on, on the timeframe I was doing, when I was doing it for every 20 minutes. Sometimes it would be the same for like an hour or two straight. And then sometimes it would just vary dramatically. It’d be like this for this 20 minute block and then this for another 20 minute block and it would just keep changing over and over again. But I, I found a lot of times it was like relaxation or downtime and my mind was telling me to keep working and to put out more. And by like putting a pen to paper and jotting it down, I realized, oh, okay, I’m actually tired right now and perhaps I’m better served from just relaxing for a few minutes or taking the next 20 minutes just to unwind.

Sheridan Ruth [00:31:52]:
Yeah. Do you find that often when you feel that inside and then you do take your time to unwind, that you’re able to reengage with work from a.

Nick Urban [00:32:01]:
Better place, Even just a 20 minute break in the middle of the day. All of a sudden I come back to it and I feel a lot more energized. I feel ready to go and I’m certainly more productive.

Sheridan Ruth [00:32:10]:
Yeah. It’s interesting how much our brain will fight to push through and it’s such a double Edged sword. Because that same quality is what can then support us. You know that that helps us get to our goals and it’s, it’s a real balance. Learning when to pause, when to go, to go slow. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:32:37]:
Speaking of, in your book you mentioned how to achieve your goals in record breaking time, but with minimal effort. What is the approach to doing that?

Sheridan Ruth [00:32:48]:
You’re freeing up your energy. There’s an entire podcast that you have on time. Is it time management or is it like the, the true wealth is energy. I think it is. And you’re freeing up your energy. And the thing is there are certain people in the world who are supposed to do certain things. And you know it, you feel it when they’re doing that thing. When you’re in that little groove, you’re in that little flow, the world conspires, people want to help you.

Sheridan Ruth [00:33:14]:
You know what I’m talking about? That when there’s science behind this, there’s the happiness effect. For example, when you’re happy doing what you love, you earn more, you are healthier, you have better relationships. When you have that level of magnetism about you and that your true goals. And so that’s the other thing. You can lock onto the goal. But also some people will learn. Oh no, that really wasn’t my goal. We hear this all the time.

Sheridan Ruth [00:33:40]:
I became a doctor because that’s what mum and dad told me to do. And then I left and I decided to do something else. And what is your true goal? You’ll get there. You’ll know how to get there. Your intuition will help you, your body will help you. That happiness that you experience, that humility that you experience, people will fuck to you and get to you. You gotta make sure it’s your goal though.

Nick Urban [00:34:02]:
So after you figure out, I mean, I guess if you’re on your current path or someone’s on their current path, how do they make sure they’re going at least towards taking steps in the right direction? Their goal, their ultimate goal?

Sheridan Ruth [00:34:15]:
Well, you have to know what you want to begin with. Like you started realizing or started practicing.

Nick Urban [00:34:23]:
So when you say what are you talking about like overall life vision or are you talking about like a more micro zoomed in level?

Sheridan Ruth [00:34:31]:
It doesn’t matter. Yeah, some people work really well when they have an overall life vision or some people work really well when they’re like, I just need to focus on my values, my values will orient me. Or my felt sense, my felt sense of how I feel I need. If it’s a yes, it’s a yes. You know, so you got to know what you want. Do you want to be vision oriented? Do you want to be values oriented? Do you wanna. Do you wanna just focus on the neck on the next quarter and you have that goal for you next quarter. So if you can just say, what do I want? And sometimes you have to unpack shame and guilt around that.

Sheridan Ruth [00:35:08]:
Sometimes we feel like we should want something. Sometimes we feel like what we want is too much. Sometimes it’s too ambitious. Sometimes it’s not big enough. Sometimes it’s the version of ourselves five years ago would be embarrassed and annoyed at the fact that we’re choosing these goals today. Sometimes they’re goals that we didn’t expect. And so we have to process and be with that guilt and that shame without deflecting it onto other people or collapsing into it ourselves and becoming lethargic and going into a nervous system collapse where we’re not living fallen. And so get really clear on what you want, and then more importantly, get really clear on why this is not a new philosophy that I’m sharing.

Nick Urban [00:35:58]:
Yeah. So if we feel guilty that the goal is too big or shame that the goal is too small, for example, what do we do with that information and that feeling to transmute it into something that’s actually uplifting for our body and nervous system?

Sheridan Ruth [00:36:16]:
Yeah, this one’s really important because shame is one of the only emotions that is socialized meaning in all of this, all of the studies that we’ve looked at over emotions, there’s not a lot of conclusive evidence that says that all humans in all cultures have shame. Shame as a part of what they bring into the world. Shame is really helpful in society because it does keep us in some ways, kind of, well, behaving. There are certain activities that we shame that shouldn’t be done and that is okay. And then there are certain activities that we shame that one can kind of look at and say, well, was that really hurting anybody? Such as having a really ambitious goal? But what happens with shame? Because it’s the emotion that is most threatening to the nervous system. Because it’s saying, you may be kicked out of this tribe. We have to be really careful about how we engage with it. And so what me and my clients do is increase our capacity for shame.

Sheridan Ruth [00:37:24]:
Shame is healed when you share it with somebody. To this some community kind of you say, okay, you’re vulnerable and you share something, or when you have compassion or when you build in other experiences such as pride and celebration, you can recognize yourself. I’m ashamed of this. But I’m really proud of myself for this. And so you kind of counterbalance. What we want to not do is go into the story that it has go and like all those voices don’t even go into that, like logic back and forth. You don’t. It’s not that bad because this other person is doing that.

Sheridan Ruth [00:37:59]:
So that means like, don’t even go into that dialogue. What you want to learn to do is remove yourself from it and observe it. Ah, okay. Shame. Got a bit of shame. Got a bit of deal. How interesting. How curious, huh? I wonder what that’s telling me.

Sheridan Ruth [00:38:18]:
And usually it’s one or two things. Am I in some way betraying my own values? So is there some type of cognitive dissonance and that’s why this feels off? And do I need to figure out a way to make that make sense or change some of my behaviors? Or am I betraying the values and expectations of someone else? And in that case, do I want to Do I care enough about what that person, my dual think?

Nick Urban [00:38:54]:
I think it’s David Hawkins. He mentions that a feeling will Only last about 90 seconds, even the most intense feelings, unless we re energize it by building a story and repeating that story back. So if we actually just let ourselves sit with a feeling, it’ll pass through pretty quickly. But it’s that the story we build around the feeling and the emotion that end up making it persist and last and last and last.

Sheridan Ruth [00:39:25]:
Yeah, I find that to be true for feelings that are not coming from a hyper vigilant or hyperactive nervous system. So when they, when they’re just a response, like, I’m going to use the email exam, an email, it tells me that I didn’t get into this program that I wanted to get in. I’m sad and disappointed and maybe a bit angry if I sit with those feelings and I’m actually really with them and I’m not in the story, but I’m paying attention to the sensations. Okay. There’s this like vibration in my chest and there’s this thing in my belly and I can feel it in my back. If I’m really with them, it will pass. The feelings that don’t pass though, like, you’ve had that, haven’t you? Where there’s a feeling that just doesn’t pass and you’re like, I thought I was sitting with that. I went to the sauna.

Sheridan Ruth [00:40:11]:
And I like, you know, those are usually signs that they’re coming from a part of us that was hurt in a past experience. And is now carrying this story and it’s almost saying, hey, like, make sure we pay attention to this. Or like, I haven’t been resolved, I haven’t been fully seen. Because what we’re talking about is when you fully see it, you know that feeling when you, you feel like, oh yeah, like they totally understood. It’s that emotion that dissipates, not all the surface level ones.

Nick Urban [00:40:46]:
And then how do you go about creating that? Like, do you just share that with someone who’s capable of processing and like sitting in it with you, such as a coach or a therapist or something? Or can you do that, work on your own to fully see it and validate it and then let that part heal?

Sheridan Ruth [00:41:08]:
Both. It’s a skill. Yeah, I’m happy to answer, but I’m curious what you would say based off of your experience witnessing yourself and others.

Nick Urban [00:41:18]:
For me, I’ve gotten to the point where I can do that. I’m not sure I’m as effective as I am when I am with someone who’s also skilled in this. And we can both sit with that and they can give me reflections that I don’t necessarily notice on my own. And it can feel like, oh, I’m actually very understood here because they’re giving me reflections that I couldn’t even see. But I certainly have developed the ability to partially at least do that for myself.

Sheridan Ruth [00:41:44]:
Yeah. And I think most of us have the goal, and I have a goal from all of my clients, that you can do that for yourself. You’re an adult and you want to be able to hold and have the capacity for your own experiences. And because you want to be independent, you want to be able to have clear thinking, you can, it’s, it’s not a big deal. You learn the skill. And some people do that through meditation, some people do that through sport. Just that skill of holding sensation in the body, you know, okay, so my muscles are burning. I’m not going to freak my whole body, I’m not going to freak out about it.

Sheridan Ruth [00:42:21]:
But you can transfer that skill from being like for example, in the gym to an emotion by just observing with non judgmental awareness. I think there are different aspects of that skill that are helpful for different people. And some people need to learn warmth. So let’s just say I don’t know. For some reason we haven’t learned a lot of warmth in our life. We don’t know how to speak to ourselves warmly. Our parents didn’t speak to ourselves very warmly. Our society, the culture that we brought up in it’s kind of direct.

Sheridan Ruth [00:42:51]:
Like what we actually need to learn is the ability to speak very lovingly in our own way to ourselves. We just never modeled that. Or what we need to learn is to not go into all of our thoughts and impulses. So we might have to figure out that skill. Or maybe what we need to learn is curiosity and ability to ask questions and. Oh, and that comes from here. Do you reckon that could be that? Reckon or. And this will happen a lot with my clients.

Sheridan Ruth [00:43:23]:
We need to learn how to validate our emotions. Just that Renee Brown, all of her work is around this. Just. I can see that that is painful. Just. Yes. And it makes sense that that is painful without jumping to the logic, the planning, the figuring out the solution. Like without jumping into solution mode.

Sheridan Ruth [00:43:45]:
That combination of skills, when we combine them, we have the capacity to move through things really quickly, become more resilient. And sometimes it’s helpful to have somebody teach them for you. It’s the same thing as having a coach with anything else. You’re going to get better at it quicker if you have one on one support. Yeah. And also there are certain things in life that you’re not supposed to hold by yourself. So your nervous system has something called neuroception and it can sense when there’s other people around that are safe that if something were to happen, if there was an emotion or an experience that was too big for me to hold, the other person would help me. And when there are certain things, shame is one of them or certain emotions maybe that have been in the, in the body for a really long time.

Sheridan Ruth [00:44:38]:
And so they’ve kind of become bigger over time. They’ve just like little things have happened. They’ve just kind of, you’ve never looked at this, I don’t know, anger that you have about your mother. So it’s just sitting there. And if you try to go into it, all of your protective mechanisms are gonna increase. You’re gonna want to crave a bottle of wine, you’re gonna want to look at your emails, you’re gonna want to fall asleep. You’re gonna feel really irritated. You’re going to start thinking about that person at work who shouldn’t have put the coffee in that way.

Sheridan Ruth [00:45:11]:
I, I don’t know. All of your protective mechanisms will exacerbate because they’re not, they don’t, they don’t think, they don’t trust you to be with that level of emotion. Especially if you don’t do a lot of this work really, really regularly. Your body doesn’t Your psyche doesn’t. It’s not able to say, yeah, this guy’s, this guy knows what they’re doing. So sometimes it will need another nervous system just to give your body that felt sense of, all right, we can look at this because it’s, it’s really big and I’ve never really looked at it and I’ve kind. I was kind of hoping that if I just ignored it, it would go away. But it hasn’t gone away.

Sheridan Ruth [00:45:51]:
But I guess we can get curious about it or some things are really sad and they need another person just to, just to be with that sadness or that, that pain. And, and that’s not a designed for. That’s part of human nature. Right. And community. Like haven’t you experienced that, that realization of we’re supposed to do this with other people?

Nick Urban [00:46:20]:
One of the things I discovered too is that if I react to something in a way that’s not objectively heightened, like if someone was to listen into that and they knew me, they’d be, oh, why did you raise your voice? Why did you get harsher, more snappy in your response there? It’s usually because there’s something below the surface that I can look at and by examining I can like dissipate that charge because it’s not like a lot of times if someone else was in that situation, they would respond very differently than I did. But like in everyday situations, I get cut off in traffic, lot of different things come up and I’m able to like dig into it and like, it’s like a, almost like a mirror and it’s like uncomfortable. It’s like, oh yeah, everyone would react like I did. But then you look around, you hear other people in the same situation and they don’t. You’re like, oh, okay, that means it’s not the other person here. It’s something going on internally in me and I have the power to go in and dissipate this charge.

Sheridan Ruth [00:47:26]:
Is there something that you have noticed has been helpful for you or that you would recommend to other people to be able to have that level of self reflection because it requires a healthy level of humility as well?

Nick Urban [00:47:41]:
Yeah, well, it’s something I realized I noticed in myself that I do this. I get more snappy than objectively makes sense given the really minute nature of a lot of the things that go on. And because of that I’m like, well, there’s something here. I can pretend like it’s other people or I can recognize that I’m the one who’s reacting this Way I don’t need to necessarily tell them. I could tell them and be like, oh, that was uncool. Like, I shouldn’t have done that. And I often now gravitate towards that. But at the same time, I can just like, highlight it.

Nick Urban [00:48:13]:
I can bookmark that and come back to it later. But I just noticed when I. When my tone of voice changes, I get louder. Things like that, that people might not even notice if they don’t know me really well. But I notice. And I guess because I’ve done this enough times, I’m more aware of it and I can go back to it and work on it later.

Sheridan Ruth [00:48:32]:
And what helps you when you do go back to it and work on it later? Like, what’s your process? If I start with sensations in the body and then go, oh, where did that come from? And what does that mean? How do we. Like, what’s your process?

Nick Urban [00:48:42]:
Yeah, so I’ll sit down, I’ll close my eyes, I’ll conjure up the situation. I’ll think about, like, first objectively, like, what it was that just happened. Like, oh, I was talking to this person and they gave me this look, or they said this, or they did that thing. And then I, like, I’ll recreate my mind, what I did in response. Like, my volume was louder or my tone of voice changed. I was more snappy. Okay. And then I’ll think like, okay, where did this come from previously? If I trace this back, like, where can I find the earliest time I can remember in which this came up and what was I looking for in that situation that I didn’t get and I got something else instead? And oftentimes it traces back to, like, very early on in life and by bringing awareness to it alone.

Nick Urban [00:49:25]:
I’m not going to say it always just goes away, but, like, that younger version of myself feels seen and I feel less reactive. I increase the wedge between the stimulus of someone doing something or saying something and my instant reactivity so that I can actually pause for a second, like, wow, I feel, like, reactive or activated right now. Give me a second to actually respond the way I want to, and then I can communicate more clearly in the way that I want to and change the pattern going forward.

Sheridan Ruth [00:49:57]:
Yeah, I think we can add that skill. It’s a skill that you’ve developed to be able to objectively compare your response versus this scenario that I don’t think a lot, maybe a lot of people listening, because you probably tend to attract the same type of person, the same mindset, but not necessarily everyone Has a lot of people just like, will not be able to see. It doesn’t really occur. They know that there’s something. I would be that person. I’m like, oh, I can feel that there’s something not off. And I’ll go in and I’ll do the same. Very similar practice.

Sheridan Ruth [00:50:39]:
And then I’ll be like, oh, yep, I handled. Now I have the capacity to objectively reflect and be like, ah, that was not cool. But your ability to begin objectively is also a really, really, really wonderful skill. And I’m guessing it also has a lot to do with the fact that you’re very. Logic. Like, logic is the way that you understand the world and like, make sense. So once you. Probably once you.

Sheridan Ruth [00:51:06]:
When you’re doing that type of work, like, once, I don’t know, I’m going to tell me if I’m making a correct. Yes. You would have found yourself at times in repetitive stuff. You’re like, this doesn’t make sense. Why am I in these thought patterns or something. And as soon as you see the logic or as soon as you understand the logic of whatever the problem is or something, you’re good, you move forward, you’re done. You’re like, okay, cool. That never.

Sheridan Ruth [00:51:33]:
It’s never going to be a problem ever again because now the logic makes sense.

Nick Urban [00:51:37]:
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I’ve also, I think part of what helped me with this, because this wasn’t something I could do until about two years ago, was doing that exercise where I checked in myself frequently and then I could start to notice, like, oh my. As I’ve said now multiple times, my volume went up. Why did that just happen? And then like being able to understand when I’m deviating from my baseline state. And some people around me do notice when that happens. And they were even, even able to reflect back to me, like, hey, sounds like you just got upset or triggered about this. And I’m like, oh, yeah, you’re right, I did. And then I can actually process it on my own.

Sheridan Ruth [00:52:12]:
Yeah. So what helped you commit to doing every 20 minutes? I actually began coaching recommending that. Cause that’s what I had the space for at the time. And I noticed that a lot of people would give me a really hard no. And so I decreased it to minimum three times a day. And then as much as you want. What helped you commit to every 20 minutes?

Nick Urban [00:52:36]:
I watched a YouTube video on it because I learned from a teacher named Dr. Robert McDonald and his ultimate communication skills class. And he mentioned, like, he called me out basically in front of the class and told me that I didn’t seem to get in touch with myself. And he said it in a nicer way. But then I was like, oh, okay, I’m taking this on as a challenge. And if the person in the YouTube video recommends every 20 minutes, I’ll do that. And I think after a couple days I decrease it to like every 30 or 40 minutes or something. But either way it was a challenge at first.

Nick Urban [00:53:11]:
But then after I started being able to actually notice a difference, I’m like, okay, I’m gonna keep, keep this up. And then I did it for a week, maybe two weeks, and then I backed it way down. Cause I got that ability. But it’s like learning a skill, pick up a new skill. I wanna actually like, make sure I get enough reps at the skill so that it sticks with me. And if I can do it faster and get the skill quicker, then I.

Sheridan Ruth [00:53:32]:
Want that and it’s, it’s ingrained. Now. You’re doing it more times every single day than you probably realize.

Nick Urban [00:53:38]:
Yeah, exactly. I have like the overt cues twice per day, but I’m doing it regularly. And even on this a call, if I was to like all of a sudden get triggered and it was to come out in my voice right now, I would notice it and I probably would bring it up. But like, it’s part of my day now. Like, I notice all the time when I check emails, like, oh, this doesn’t feel good. Let me minimize like engagements with this party that I’m interacting with.

Sheridan Ruth [00:54:02]:
Yeah. And as a result of that, what are some of the effects? What I’m thinking of is the same thing that you’ve been thinking as you’ve been speaking to me, which is I could already hear everybody’s objection and all of the parts of them saying like, ah, it’s not really worth my time. Like, okay, cool, cute skill. Love this skill. But is this the, you know, if I have to focus on three things for this the next three months, like, is this the skill that I’m going to put my energy into? And I personally want to advocate for, yes, it should be the skill that you put your energy into. Do you agree with me and why?

Nick Urban [00:54:36]:
Yeah, I think it’s a really important skill because it carries over to everything. And like, not just at work, but also in any other personal relationships. Speaking personally, I noticed when it was going on internally when I had these fluctuations, but then I could also more easily see it in other people that I interact with and engage with. And then I can actually be like that support to them which enriches our relationship. And my mom once told me that like life is about relationships and like it’s a very important part. And I always said, nah, yeah, like that’s for you, but not so much for me. And then I realized like relationships really are quite important to me and like all types of relationships and it makes life just feel a lot richer. Plus it carries over to business world and other world, like the sports world.

Nick Urban [00:55:21]:
All worlds.

Sheridan Ruth [00:55:22]:
Yeah, I mean I, I don’t know if this is something that everyone goes through, but I’ve also come to that conclusion more. I thought it was, you know, this like cute little. Ah, yeah. Like it’s all about relationships. Like no, it actually 100 is about relationships. And some people will say, oh yeah, it’s a ballet networking. It’s like it’s about your ability. Yeah.

Sheridan Ruth [00:55:47]:
What are your thoughts on that?

Nick Urban [00:55:48]:
Yeah, I mean networking is a part of relationships but to me networking implies it doesn’t have to be this way but like very loose acquaintances. And to me like life is richer when you have deeper relationships and a really effective way of getting there is being able to recognize patterns in yourself and in others.

Sheridan Ruth [00:56:08]:
From my perspective, if I’m thinking about, you know, what makes a person feel safe, I don’t know about you, but I feel safer with people who are just themselves and who have self awareness and are not trying to and also who are self reflective, you know. You know that if I say something to this person I’m like, hey, didn’t love how you handled that. They’re going to be like, okay, let me. I don’t need them to change necessarily or apologize or anything, but I feel better in relation to people who I.

Nick Urban [00:56:40]:
Know I can bring things up.

Sheridan Ruth [00:56:42]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean that’s like trust and it’s.

Nick Urban [00:56:45]:
Also like depth of relationships is like a commonality between the blue zones. It was in a book of like the. What is it called? Like the Five Regrets of the Dying or something. I’m butchering the title. But like it’s a commonality between like for so many different purposes, like longevity and performance and life satisfaction. Pretty much everything.

Sheridan Ruth [00:57:07]:
Yeah, I watched the Blue Zone on Netflix and that was the takeaway that I got. It wasn’t about what you were eating, it was that you were eating, how you were eating and your relationship. That was important. That is important. But it’s more about. Is that the takeaway that you got? Maybe you can enlighten me.

Nick Urban [00:57:22]:
Yeah, everyone focuses on like what is the blue Zone diet. And it’s like, oh, you’re missing the point. Like, it’s not about the exact foods they’re eating. I mean, even on the food front itself, it’s like the way it’s grown matters and like, the lack of chemicals and like, pesticides and things like that. And like the relationship they had with the land. And then of course, you, like, that’s just on the food side. But then it’s also like, the way it’s enjoyed. Like, this state, they live in, like, a much lower stress state, on average, the community.

Nick Urban [00:57:55]:
There’s probably all kinds of other factors that were not actually included in those analyses to begin with, but I think the world latches on to what specific foods they ate. And to me, that’s a part, but it’s a small part of the overall picture.

Sheridan Ruth [00:58:08]:
Yeah. And then I think it also comes back to that thing of trying to hack something and trying to take the essence out of something, which is what we’ve kind of tried to do by figuring out the olive oil. And it’s like you’re trying to hack, like, the way to your goals. Yeah. You have to do the reps. And you do want to be with people who you can share your dreams with. You want to have, like, the dreams that are the correct amount of ambitious for you so that you feel passionate, you can feel pulled towards it. But I think the biggest thing that we want is community.

Sheridan Ruth [00:58:49]:
I find sometimes with clients, some things that are brought forward, the only response that I have is like, we need to get you some really good friends. We need to figure out how to get you some really good friends. Because there’s certain things that you can go over over and over in therapy or in coaching, or you can learn about them in yourselves, but until you have a felt like shared experience with somebody, it’s empty. Have you felt that?

Nick Urban [00:59:20]:
And I think there’s a lot of power also. And like, the groups that aren’t just going to, like, always validate everything you say, but it’s like they’re going to recognize where you are. And then also, like, when you build stories around certain things, like, oh, this person said this because they don’t like me or whatever, they push back and they don’t just accept that’s the case. Like, I get why you think that. At the same time, perhaps they were having a bad day and they didn’t even notice you there or something.

Sheridan Ruth [00:59:46]:
Yeah. Which is more than often the case. But that’s also a type of individual, because you would have noticed this there are certain people who are oriented towards growth and who value growth. And then there are people who are not. And I don’t know, I’ve noticed in myself, my friends, my clients in the world that at some point when you choose growth, it’s actually quite painful to notice the people in your life who do not.

Nick Urban [01:00:13]:
I hadn’t thought about that, but now that you. You pointed out like, that’s a very succinct way of explaining it. Yeah. Well, Sheridan, I think we’ve covered some of like the big boulders, the cornerstones of nervous system regulation in this. And like somatics and aligning with your body, your biology and everything. Are there any quick TAV or like biohacks or things that are going to get people quicker wins to like, help regulate their nervous systems, especially if they’re already in like a agitated state?

Sheridan Ruth [01:00:44]:
Yeah, regulate your nervous system. Learn your. But what about. That’s really buzzword now. But also actually do it. There’s a PDF and I’ll share it with you. Actually, I already shared it with you. Nervous system PDF for regulation.

Sheridan Ruth [01:00:57]:
When you do not have a lot of privacy, you do not have a lot of time, and you do not have a lot of space. It is a list of over a hundred ways to bring regulation through. What your specific pattern is. You might already know it. Nick, you’re a fighter. We can tell that by what you already have shared with us so that we can see it in all of your traits. When you get agitated, you push and you want to go forward. Some people get lethargic, have apathy, some people get anxious and want to run away from the situation and avoid it.

Sheridan Ruth [01:01:26]:
Inside of that PDF, you’ll find ways to identify your tendency and then ways to regulate your. You don’t have to download my PDF. You can use a thousand resources all over the Internet. I like mine because it’s got unconventional ways that are really accessible. When you can’t go do a yoga practice or do a breath work or you don’t want to use those things. And it teaches you why these things work. So you can be like, oh, okay, that’s working because it’s engaging my muscles. I don’t want to go to the gym right now, but I can go like shovel snow or something.

Sheridan Ruth [01:02:00]:
So you can kind of play with it a little bit more. Very simply, learn what are the small little insidious signs that I’m getting dysregulated, raising my voice, feeling agitated, wanting sugar maybe? And then how do I bring myself back to a baseline that’s the number one place to start that everybody needs to master before they can move on to anything else.

Nick Urban [01:02:30]:
Nice. I love that. And also, the case against just doing the quick fixes and the hacks and everything is like, okay, yes, you’re addressing them, but they’re the deviation still is there to begin with. And what if the deviation didn’t happen in the first place and your body didn’t need to use like mobilize the resources, waste the energy to crank out stress hormones and to prepare yourself to fight. If you were able to fix that trigger that pattern, then you stay steady and your body is better resourced and that those resources can go elsewhere to detoxify you, to create energy, to help your thinking and all kinds of other important things. So, yes, to both add the quick fixes and then also use that opportunity to go deeper and fix the roots that are just regulating you begin with.

Sheridan Ruth [01:03:21]:
Especially if you’re exhausted and you’re like, I’ve done this before. Okay, you need the next stage. We speak about it in my book. It’s pillar two. It’s like exhausting to always be regulating. So also engage in those deeper practices.

Nick Urban [01:03:34]:
Well, Sheridan, if people want to connect with you, if they want to grab Somatic Intelligence for success, your book, how do they go about that? Where do they find you and where do they grab your book?

Sheridan Ruth [01:03:44]:
You can put it in Amazon. So you can just get it off of Amazon. You can type in Somatic Intelligence for success or you can write Sheridan Ruth. That’s S H E R I D A N R U T H. Pop that into Google, pop that into Amazon. You will find me. There’s only one of me.

Nick Urban [01:04:01]:
Perfect. And can they work with you from that page as well?

Sheridan Ruth [01:04:04]:
Yeah. So you’ll find we have coaching options. There’s a 90 minute option, there’s sometimes there are group options and then there’s packages to go in and do these sessions.

Nick Urban [01:04:14]:
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining the podcast today. It’s been a blast chatting all things about nervous system and regulation and somatic intelligence.

Sheridan Ruth [01:04:23]:
Yeah, thank you.

Nick Urban [01:04:24]:
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