Find & Master the “Doorways” to Your Body For Peak Health (11+ Optimization Tips)

Nick Urban [00:00:00]:
Doctor John Laurence, welcome back to the podcast.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:00:03]:
Yeah. Nick, it’s so great to be back.

Nick Urban [00:00:05]:
Yeah. You were here back on episode number one ten. So if you guys wanna get a refresher on the things that we covered and we’re about to expand and go into a lot more today, That is an option. A link to everything we discussed will be in the show notes for this episode. To start off today, I wanna go into your concept of protecting the body’s entrance points? What what do you call it exactly? Doorways. Doorways. Yes. And how does that relate to a particular Indian god?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:00:36]:
I know. Right? You know, you just pause pause the podcast and sit there and see if you can figure that out for a little bit. It’s a it’s a puzzle. But, well, Ganesh is considered the father or the, the lord of doorways. And you’ll see people with Ganesh shirts and, you know, it might say remover of obstacles. Right? So, like, a door is is an obstacle. So anything anytime you get to, you know, a point where you no longer can go forward, you have two choices to get the door open or to figure way a way around the door. And so in the Hindu, they they see Ganesh as the, the protector of of heaven, basically, in the divine.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:01:22]:
And so they have a chant, and it it goes something like, see if I can remember it. Om, gam, ganapate, namaha. And they just keep repeating that over and over again. And I think about it like, ganapate. This is like, ganapate, namaha, like, gonna go to the party. Right? So then the way that they see it is the more bliss they can become, like, just basically feel deep states of bliss. This is the signal for Ganesh to say, yes. You’re worthy.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:01:52]:
You might you can come into the party. Right? So they can’t and they just try to muster up as much bliss as they can. And, and so when you start to look at this, it it’s kind of fun to play around with the combination of spirit, you know, mind, body, spirit, tying some of these things together is not only fun, but it’s, you know, it it really starts to explain some of the energies, you know, and and and I think that some of these ancient, religious, you know, ways, they they have some wisdom because there’s, there’s there’s signs and there’s there’s messages there for us to learn from if we if we really look close. And so the the doorways that I that I see for the body are the the eyes. You have the nose. You have the mouth. You have the the colon. And then I also, you know, with men, I kind of look at the prostate as being something of an area that can hold toxins or infections.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:02:58]:
And, and then in women, there’s the vagina. So there’s some a little little bit of additional, you know, things with, you know, man versus woman. And, when when I look at this and I think, okay. What if we’re we I I call it taking care of your doorways. So the act of taking care of your doorways is this Ganesh. We have the Ganesh protocols and maybe we can get some written stuff for you that people can download. I got some things from a couple you know, I talk about it a lot in my book, so I think you were reading a little bit.

Nick Urban [00:03:35]:
Yeah. Yeah. I’ve read a number of your books.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:03:38]:
Yeah. Which one was was the one with the Ganesh?

Nick Urban [00:03:41]:
Hard to say. I’ve read maybe I’ve finished two of your books and I’m reading two currently. So it’s hard to say where I came across the material for the first time, but I I know you’re big on those and I think I’ve heard you on other podcasts mentioning them too. One of the doorways you didn’t mention, I think is the ears, which I know is a big part of your work.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:03:59]:
You’re right. The ears are another doorway, and I I didn’t mention that. And I don’t always mention the eyes as well, because they’re they’re not really as much of the toxic, you you know, because if you think about, like, like, a runny nose and, like, how much air is going through your nose and how close your your nasal passage has an area called the cribriform plate, which is such a thin membrane, and it goes right into your brain. And literally, they’ve they’ve been coming out with more recent studies where they look at both the mouth and the nose, and they’re tracking it into the central nervous system. And they’re finding that these endotoxins, So basically microbes outgas this, like, kind of it’s a fatty material. It’s not water soluble. These are these are fat soluble toxins that, and mold is the same way. Heavy metals kinda go into the same general area.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:05:01]:
But the the fat soluble toxins are the ones that get us in trouble more. So water soluble, our body can can eliminate pretty quickly. But these endotoxins, they also call them lipopolysaccharides. They they get into the system, and they’re one of the most inflammatory compounds known to man. And so we have to control that and keep it to a minimum because a little bit of it is actually good for you. Like, if we didn’t have any microbes at all, like the boy in the bubble type of thing, like, that doesn’t that doesn’t work because our body and our immune system need to be challenged a bit. In fact, you know, you look at, like, everything going on or with, like, the measles and how, you know, they’re just absolutely freaking out. But, like, they found that when kids have the measles, their their immune system is so so much stronger, later in life.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:05:52]:
Like, kids that their mothers protect them to the point where they don’t go and get dirty and, like, you know, play with pets and, like, kids just do crazy stuff, but, like, like, that builds the immune system. They found that when there’s a more sterile environment, you know, it doesn’t build the immune system. But the problem is is that these days, when we’re not taking care of our doorways, it’s typically the opposite. And there is too much of this, microbial overgrowth and something called biofilms, which is really important to understand in the mouth and the nose and and even in the colon. But this allows these, these microbes to build like a protective home, like a protective layer, and it’s like a thick gelatinous material. And if you think about, like, your nasal passage and you think about, like, if there’s a lot of sticky, proteins, a lot of these biofilms in the nasal passage, anything that you’re breathing in the air is gonna stick like like fly paper to that, and then it’s gonna be drawn into your, bloodstream. And this is where people can be more reactive to allergies. Right? Because the same individual that doesn’t have as much biofilm or not at all because they’re taking care of their their that that doorway.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:07:13]:
We’ll talk about ways that I found to to really help take care of the doorways here towards the end. But, if you have those two different individuals, the one that has less biofilm isn’t gonna have as much of a chance to say pick up an airborne disease, develop allergies or have an allergic response. And just overall their brain is gonna be more awake because, when you have toxins like this that cause inflammation, it triggers something called the cell danger response or it’s also been called the Warburg effect. And Otto Warburg was a German, and literally he won the Nobel Prize, but Hitler would not let him go accept it. But he discovered, basically cancer. Can’t like, what happens with a cancer? Like, what’s the difference between a cancer cell and a regular cell is the way they make energy. And the normal way that we make energy in the cell is through the electron transport chain, which is what the mitochondria does, and it’s based on four protein complexes that bounce electrons along. And the last numb the fourth protein is can use light actually to as well as electrons.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:08:31]:
And so this is where we can get energy from the sun and from, like, red lights and different types of, photon, and some methylene blue magic can happen with that as well. But but so back to the cell danger response. So, when we have this, response in in our brain or in any local area where the toxins go in, the inflammation triggers this response. This response is such that we shut down our energy that is really very high producing to something that’s very low producing. It’s literally 10% of what we’d what we would produce otherwise. And there’s that’s called fermentation, k, and so this is a very, very primitive way of making energy and that’s what happens with cancer cells. And so, really all of the, experts that I’ve seen that have really looked at cancer, they all say the same thing is that it’s a mitochondrial problem. So this in in the core is a problem of how these cells have started to make energy.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:09:39]:
And so if you stress a cell enough or for long enough, that’s what you’re gonna get is you’re gonna get that cell just eventually, turns into a cancer cell. And so this is a situation where, you know, individuals have the power to control certain aspects of their health and wellness, by looking at their mitochondria and ways to take care of their mitochondria. So when people wind up getting cancer, and there’s a lot of people these days, I mean, young, old, middle age, I mean, it’s like, you know, a lot of it, you know, in my opinion, you know, is coming from, you know, the spike proteins, could be from getting COVID, or it could be from, the vaccines. They’re just coming out with more and more research about, how it’s devastating to the immune system and our clotting factors and so forth. So we’re seeing a lot of these people and it’s developing into cancer and, inevitably, we’re just seeing a lot more these days. So it’s hard, you know, although I don’t have evidence to say this for sure, but it just seems like cancer has just gone up. So, putting things together, that’s the biggest shift that we’ve really seen. We’re talking about kind of taking care of our doors and talking about the nasal passage.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:10:54]:
One of the things that works the best for this biofilm because if you can’t get through that biofilm and you can’t, get rid of it, then that then whatever you try to spray up your nose or irrigate your nasal passage with is is really not gonna wash it through. And so to dissolve that, I found that there’s some certain terpenes, like one of them is called linalool, and and it’s really fascinating. You can look this up and you can, you know, take a dive into, like, biofilm, and holistic approaches to biofilm. And so like essential oils, so lavender is is what you have Linolol in right and so what I’ve done is I’ve looked at a lot of the different terpenes and then some of the essential oils because these like oregano, sage, clove, bay leaf, I mean, that these are some, oils that can really get in there and and have an antimicrobial effect, but also, like, clear out biofilm, and that’s where we kinda we designed the glutostat. So and I should probably be, transparent here. So, Midozend, we produce, some products that we’re probably gonna talk about in this podcast. And I’m obviously biased because, you know, I love them. And, I think you’ve used some of them as well and you love them.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:12:12]:
And and so just keep that in mind that, you know, that’s the that’s the case.

Nick Urban [00:12:17]:
It’s really cool. I’ve looked into a lot of your products, and I love that you guys incorporate terpenes and other plant extracts in them because there’s the wisdom of the botanicals of the natural world that often complement and synergize really nicely with some of the fancy new molecules that I mean, newer molecules, I should say, like methylene blue and different things like that. So it’s cool to see that you took a a multimodal approach to formulating. And that’s including the products you you mentioned, Glutistat, but then also the other newer things you’ve come come out with like the satoshi, I wanna say this. Satori or satoshi? Satori. Yeah. Satori. Like, that’s a cool one.

Nick Urban [00:12:55]:
There’s paraxanthin in it, which I’ve talked about with Sean Wells and Daniel of Update. And it’s not just that. You’ve also added ginkgo and some Ayurvedic herbs. And why is it that you keep going back to the botanicals? What is what’s their value to you?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:13:11]:
That’s a great question. I I you know, there’s a term they call the entourage effect, and they you hear that a lot with terpenes and cannabis. Although, you know, it it can that term can be applied to anything where you have a synergy where one plus one equals four. Right? And so, you know, like, I really love Copaiba. We use a Copaiba in a lot of our formulations and copaiba help actually aids in the absorption and utilization of certain nutrients in the body. But, you know, it it’s I I like to use natural. You know, the only the only non natural thing that we use that, you know, then could lead us into a nice argument about this or not argument, but a conversation, you know, is is methylene blue, which is a synthetic molecule. But everything else, I’m really a big fan of of of all natural holistic and then synergistic, nutrients because I I find I’ve been practicing for thirty years and, you know, I’ve been practicing as a naturopath and a chiropractic neurologist.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:14:20]:
And so I’ve had, an experience there where I’ve been able to and a lot of brain based conditions, obviously, I’m like like the nervous system is is a big deal, but, like, understanding how these nutrients can work together, has really been an advantage, to be able to formulate these as well to see what works and what doesn’t work.

Nick Urban [00:14:39]:
When you work with patients, I’m assuming that’s what you call them, are you going through a protocol for like, a universal protocol? Like, for example, first starting off by addressing biofilms, and then after getting biofilms, addressing the affection that tends to accompany them and then working on, like, removing heavy metals and then going on to the additions, the optimizations, like first subtracting the things that shouldn’t be there and then adding on?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:15:05]:
Yes. I another really good question. That that’s, this this idea that, you know, you you wanna stage things if, like, let’s say somebody maybe has some health issues or they don’t really haven’t really paid much of attention to their health and they’re relatively healthy, but they’re maybe wanna get and and and and start a protocol or a program to improve their health a little bit more than it is. You know, you wanna look at, like, staging things because in the beginning, I think taking care of the doorways is really, like, that’s a primary for me, and that might last for a month to six weeks. And and we we do coaching. I we have a number of patients, or clients. I think when where they’re coaching, they’re they’re clients and they’re not patients. And so they’re part of, our member or we have a membership with with that.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:15:56]:
And so we can work with people all over the really all over the world and we do. And and so part of that is this now tiered approach to, to health. And so the beginning is exactly that, like, you know, we’ll test them to see what kind of microbes they might have, whether you have access to testing or not. Most people do. You know, we look at things like viral panel panels like EBV or Epstein Barr virus. We look at HHV six. Cytomegalovirus is another one, that, you know, kind of becomes problematic. You can look at candida.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:16:36]:
You can test for this either in the blood or you can do micro tests, and there’s different gut panels that you can do to see what kind of parasites you might have in your digestive system or just in your body in general. We have some different systems of testing that we use for that, but it’s like kinda getting an idea of and you don’t even have to really do testing. I think, you know, for people wanting to do it on a budget, you know, you can, take some different types of antimicrobials that might be really broad spectrum and just do a parasite cleanse, you know, because it’s it’s likely you have some parasites, you know, especially if you’re listening to this and you’re you’re starting to think, hey, should I do this? Well, yeah, you probably should if you’re if you’re questioning that because there’s probably some intuition within your body that tells you that that would be a good idea. But, you know, even once a year, doing some sort of a cleanse. And so what what that would look like would be at least for thirty days, you’re gonna spray this antimicrobial. So glutastat is what we use, and that has, oregano, sage, clove, bay leaf. It has, n a c. It has glutathione.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:17:46]:
It has silver and, germanium or germinal and, eucalyptol and, linalool. Okay? And I might be missing, one or two things because there’s a lot in that product, but that’s the basics of it. And it really burns, like, when you spray it. I always say it’s it feels like you’re getting slapped by your mom because, you know, it’s with with love and it’s gonna do you some good. Right? But we have it in three versions, you know, I would I would suggest if you do wind up doing the sinus cleanse, and we ought to send you the sheet. We have like a sinus protocol and, you could use it with the glute stat or you could, you know, make something up on your own as well. Just be careful, you know, because if you do something that isn’t really kosher up in the nose that you’re you’ll suffer. Like, I tried to do, I don’t know if you saw this video on my, Instagram, but I I do some crazy videos sometimes.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:18:42]:
But I went I was in the ocean, and I took and I irrigated my nasal passage with, methylene blue. And, you know, it’s really messy, you know? And, what I didn’t talk about in that video was how achy it was afterwards for, like, twenty or thirty minutes, you know. But, but, yeah, so we and then and then looking at the mouth and with with the mouth, we we have an essential oil blend we call Boca Zen, which is like, you know, thyme and cinnamon and oregano and clove, and it’s got a variety of terpenes in there as well. And, and and fennel. Like, it’s just got I don’t you know, I was I’ve been I was playing around with these essential oil blends for, like, years and then, like, all of a sudden, like, I just I did this one mixture and it was like, wow. I mean, when you it’s just people people absolutely love it because it’s got, you know, the cinnamon and the fennel and, you know, the oregano and the clove, it like just has a really unique but it’s it’s also you’re getting slapped by your mom, like it’s really it’s really powerful. And, the way that I suggest we we do this with the mouth is, like, first of all, we, tongue tongue scraping is important because you that’s a biofilm. Right? And then flossing.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:20:02]:
And so you can, brush your teeth. Right? And then, you take the glute stat after you brush your teeth, you take the glute stat oil and you put it and you move it all around your gums and then you floss afterwards and then that flossing will push those essential oils in between your teeth. Then it’ll really it’ll really do a great, deal for your gums. And and then I I’ll have the Glutistat and the Boca Zen in my car because sometimes on my way to work or, sometimes, like, on my way, home from work or whatever, I’ll I’ll just grab it and I’ll do it. And, I I just feel good, you know. It feels good to just know you’re keeping things clean and, I notice a big difference personally when I get away from this and I just start to feel like, you know, I’m a little bit more sluggish. And so those are the two strategies that we have for, of course, we have like a, a methylene blue, gold, and silver eye drop. So if anybody has any problems with their eyes, I definitely think that’s a no brainer because that that just is just an incredible, combination of substances, for the eyes.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:21:15]:
And then I like to do, like, sun gazing where you’re actually getting some photobiomodulation through those substances, like, the eyes are the part of the body that absorb the most amount of photons, you know, because that’s what they they use through their sensory is photons.

Nick Urban [00:21:30]:
I know in shamanic medicine and some of the other alternative ancestral medicines, they drew a clear link between the visual function of the eyes, the physical visual function of the eyes and life clarity and purpose. And as you mentioned, methylene blue and eye drops, I was thinking methylene blue has very strong protective effects of the mitochondria rich organs of the body such as the eyes, the heart, the brain, genitals. I can see a very strong use case for using those eye drops to help protect the eyes not only for against like damage but then also for life clarity. Did you investigate anything like that?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:22:16]:
Yeah. I think, that’s really really an interesting concept with the eyes and I I know like in yoga they have a lot of like eye yoga type of things that they do to move your eyes all into different positions that you don’t you know stretching your eyes and what I’ve what I’ve discovered as a as a practitioner is that the eyes do so much to, because almost every part of your brain has some influence and is used for whether it’s visual acuity or the function of the eyes. And so you think about, the eyes have this kind of built in mechanism they call the, vestibular ocular reflex. And so this is like because the inner ears are talking to the eyes which are also talking to all of the spinal muscles, you know, base more more or less all the muscles in your body but primarily these central core muscles and they’re they’re regulated through this vestibular system because this is where they’re getting their signaling to either compensate or strengthen or tighten or relax as we’re moving in different positions and so forth. Like if we’re playing sports, you know, you think about, that individual is gonna be having to maybe look for a ball and, they’re gonna have to, you know, like, you know, football player running and looking behind them and just catching a football, like, you think about the precision behind how, how many systems really need to be working. And so if we didn’t have this, vestibular ocular reflex or they call it the VOR, then we wouldn’t, the the world would look like one of those, cameras that are moving all over the place. You know, like, you know how sometimes you watch movies and they’re really jerking all around. I don’t know about you, but that’s kinda I can only watch those for so long before I just start to get, you know, messed up because, they’re not using the Gimbal on it.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:24:19]:
Right? So this is like a natural Gimbal within our our eyes so that the world stays, somewhat still. But also when we turn our head and we turn our our body, certain muscles aren’t gonna tear and rip and that’s gonna trigger relaxation of muscles in certain ranges of motion particularly around our core muscles. So, we look at those things and and if you they’re also hardwired to your autonomic nervous system, all of the eye all of the eye functions, right? So when, like an individual might be on a boat or something like that and they’re moving around and they get they get like an autonomic effect, you know, it’s because this this this vestibular ocular reflex is just constantly going and going and going and so it gets and it’s doing things that it’s not used to doing. And they’re so they’re midline. Right? The eyes are considered midline motor. And so you have the mouth, the tongue, the digestive system, the, you know, the the a lot of the different muscles along the spine, these are all midline motor nerves and so anything that you do to take care of your eyes is gonna translate into taking care of, like, your every all of these other things that we talked about.

Nick Urban [00:25:34]:
Your protocol for using your methylene blue based eye drops, is that applying, like, one drop and then going out into the sun and some gazing, like, twenty minutes later, thirty minutes later. Like, I’m guessing it’s a very weak dilution because you wouldn’t wanna have twenty milligrams of methylene blue going into your eyes.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:25:51]:
Yeah. You know, it’s funny. I I told this story just earlier and, and you’re kinda bringing up. So higher concentration of methylene blue in the eyes like I, I made up my own my own batch and I I wanted to make it a little bit stronger and I had someone visiting me. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Dan Pompa. Dan Pompa, he’s, he’s a good buddy of mine, and, you know, he and I trained with a lot of the same people. And, he has a big coaching program as well and, very, very talented, you know, healer and and and individual. And, so basically, he he came to town, and we’re out on my boat, and I I take out the blue eyes.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:26:30]:
That’s the name of this product. And I’m like, hey. Try this because he hadn’t tried it. He drops in his eyes, and it did look like it was a little more blue. Right? And and I thought he was just being a wimp because he’s like, oh, man. It’s really aching. It’s bothering me. And, you know, there’s a bunch of people on the boat, and they’re looking at me like, what’d you do here? And and and so I I grasped and let me try it.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:26:51]:
And I put it in. And lo and behold, it was like, yes. It was achy. But what was wild was within twenty minutes, the aching was gone. And my vision was absolutely like you know, and when you’re out on a boat, you’re able to look way down, you know, at houses on the water, like, you know, like half a mile away or whatever. And and I could just see things so clear, and it got me to believe that there I think there’s a market for something like that even though it aches. But, like, if you could really increase your vision with, you know, certain types of, you know, maybe in the military even, like, you know, certain types of sports where you’re you’re you’re shooting ski or or something like that. Some individuals might really benefit from that hyper, improved vision, and and sacrifice being a little bit achy.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:27:39]:
But but just the the dilution that we normally, provided in is is there’s not really a burn. There’s just a slight bit of peppermint so it’s it’s like kind of cool and refreshing. But I like to do just to answer your question is I like to be at the beach sun going up and I take my blue eyes out and I drop them in my eyes and I don’t blink I let it like really pool in my eyes and then I just like let the sun and I let those photons go through that substance and there the photons will pick up energy you know if you run like a laser or you run light through a crystal, what comes out on the other end is a coherence through that crystal that is unique and can be really healing and we use these, like I have this This is called the photon. You see the sacred geometry in there? Kinda like what they found underneath the pyramids. I don’t know if you’ve been checking that out, but but, you know, we shine when we shine light through this, these crystals, we are able to activate. We use these, often to, like, activate some of the stem cells that we’re using or some blood and platelets because we do a lot of orthopedic stuff here. Right? And so we have a lot of people coming to us for shoulders and hips and and spine and, you know, this is like full integration of, you know, taking care of the body, both physically and then at a cellular level.

Nick Urban [00:29:13]:
So the blue eyes to me seems like it’s a modern take on the ancient practice of, like, using Sananga, which is like the herb infused like, I don’t even know what exactly is inside of it, eye drops and they apply those for ceremony and it literally increases vision and clarity and all that stuff. So this is like a modern take on that that can more, I guess, perhaps harmonize more effectively, more strongly with like the modern lifestyle?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:29:40]:
Well, you know, I we have two different eye drops, available. One of them is called IRE, I r e, and, and this is my kind of version of Sananga. So there’s it’s Sananga, methylene blue, warmest. We have gold in there. So we we really like put some, the entourage effect if you will. And it burns, you know, you have a pretty good burn with this drop and the burning is activating the, trigeminal nucleus, which is it’s balancing the autonomic nervous system. We all could use that. I mean, even like in ancient days, I can imagine, you know, that the stress is associated with trying to survive, you know, to calm down some of those stress responses, is something that we lose as we get older, you know, as our brain function declines, our nervous system starts to decline.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:30:36]:
It’s something that you see in virtually all diseases, you know, people that have, autoimmune diseases, people that have, hormonal disruptions and so forth, people that have degenerative neurologic disorders, people that have cancer. I mean, if you look at just all of these diseases, there’s always almost always a problem with the autonomics with people. And that’s something that is really important to stabilize before you start getting into doing anything too crazy because if you can’t manage, you know, your your your your your circulation, you know, your digestion, you know, all these things, If it you’re you’re gonna be you’re gonna be too susceptible to not being able to tolerate a lot of other types of therapies. So some of these things with, like, burning of the eyes can be a way to help to stabilize and strengthen the autonomics because you’re you’re kind of activating those pathways. Right? So the face, the eyes, the nasal passage, the mouth, you know, putting cold water. Like, I’ve seen people take ice and put it in their like, into, like, a a dish or, possibly even like their sink and this kind of like soak their face and this is the same thing like we’re it’s it’s through this dive reflex and this triggers the, the autonomic nervous system to actually be more more more strong and more balanced. And this translates into the body being in in in more of a parasympathetic state, which is they call that resting and digesting.

Nick Urban [00:32:11]:
First of all, do you see long term vision enhancement from this? Of course, it has the acute effects that you mentioned doctor Pompa also noticed firsthand. Are you seeing anything longer term with, like, either repeated practice or the synergy, the entourage of using sun gazing with perhaps the eye drops then also using the cold water, like, facial submersion to activate the male mammalian dive reflex and perhaps other additions to that protocol?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:32:40]:
Yeah. Well, you know, there’s there’s a nasal spray that we it’s probably one of our biggest sellers in Midozend. It’s called Zen meditation mist. And, you know, so that’s gonna really burn the the nasal, like, temporarily, though. Actually, people love it. It’s kinda like wasabi. Yeah. I gotta take it out to dinner, and I share it with people.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:33:00]:
And the next thing you know, it’s like we’re having a Zen party. It’s really it’s really fun. But, you know, the the iris which is different from the blue eyes, applying that to the eyes that does a temporary burn. There is like, nasal potential with the Zen. With the mouth, the Boca Zen, like I said, you know, it’s like the oregano. You know, it’s gonna it’s gonna kinda give you a bit of a kick. And then, there like you had mentioned, the the dive reflex as well, and, these are all really, really important. And it it’s like just doing it, like, once or twice is not really gonna be, I think, what is gonna more or less, these are things that you can adopt into, like, certain types of routines, like daily routines.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:33:51]:
You know, and if you find yourself getting wound up, you’re getting stressed, you can feel it, then these types of strategies I’m a really big fan of breath work as well because that breath going through the nose, right, either that or when you’re depleting c o two is another really I’ve been really interested in c o two, and we’ve been doing some really cool things with breathing c o two gas and incorporating these c o two gases into other gas therapies like intermittent hypoxic training, really, really, really cool stuff, which also supports and stabilizes the autonomics. But, yeah, I I do see people just getting really, getting a lot better and and and, you know, a lot of the customers or some of my patients, you know, they’ll talk about how they really love this product or that product, and they they use it regularly, and it it kinda keeps and stabilizes them and keeps them calm.

Nick Urban [00:34:46]:
That’s cool. I had no idea that you’re doing that because I have been very fascinated by c o two therapy for a little while now. Haven’t recorded a podcast on it, but it seems like a very opportune area for disruption and more technologies and modalities to be available to consumers.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:35:02]:
Yeah. Well, like, one thing is what’s really interesting is, you know, I am starting to believe that in it’s not nitric oxide that’s the primary thing that we want to concentrate on to keep our blood vessels, you know healthy, you know, because nitric oxide is like you know such a big topic and there’s people that are pounding their chest saying, you know, nitric oxide, nitric oxide, but then, you know, if we take a step back, you know, there’s some dangers to nitric oxide. Right? And and so c o two vasodilates. I mean, c o two is probably the primary mechanism that is keeping blood vessels healthy, not nitric oxide. Although, c o two does have an effect on endothelial nitric oxide because there’s three forms of nitric oxide. And, you know, it’s not a black or white conversation. You know, it can get quite complex. But two of the nitric oxides are really good to get elevated chronically, and that’s in, endothelial, which nitric, c o two can work on and neuronal.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:36:07]:
Right? But then there’s another one that’s called, inducible. And inducible nitric oxide is something that really is more meant to be temporary when you get an infection or toxicity. And so if you think about this kind of inflammatory effect, which is this vasodilation, where the body’s trying to bring in the groceries and take out the garbage, you know, that’s that holy circulation that’s so important. And if we don’t have that, then, you know, that’s where we get into a lot of health and disease issues.

Nick Urban [00:36:38]:
Yeah. I first came across that concept with Mark Sloan. He’s one of the other you’re probably not gonna like this term, methylene blue influencers, and he also wrote a book on it a long time ago. And he was talking about how how nitric oxide should be really viewed as, like, the body’s backup to, carbon dioxide to get some of the vasodilation and increased blood flow and everything. And I became fascinated when I looked into some of the research, and I saw that, as you mentioned, it wasn’t as clear cut. And exposure to certain heavy metals, xenoestrogens, infections, these were also increasing one of the forms of nitric oxide. So clearly, it’s not all a good thing to just indiscriminately boost levels of all forms of nitric oxide.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:37:22]:
Yeah. Right. And and, like, one of the critiques that methylene glue has had from, individuals that weren’t really understanding that there was a more of a complexity with nitric oxide would would say, hey, don’t consume methylene blue because it will have this deleterious effect on your nitric oxide levels and that nitric oxide is the holy grail. And this is gonna cause you to have more, you know, problems with circulation and such. And when you really look at the when you look at it, though, it doesn’t touch endothelial, and it doesn’t touch neuronal. It only works on inducible, which is the stuff that you really wanna clean up anyway. Right? And, and that’s why, you know, if anybody’s really interested in in deep diving into some of this nitric oxide stuff, I co wrote an article with Jason Saunders and, and, Brian Richards. Brian Richards has sauna space, so he’s kind of like a good, source for information on photobiomodulation.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:38:25]:
And Jason Saunders has basically got his PhD in hyperbaric oxygen. It’s it’s pretty crazy. He’s also a functional chiropractic neurologist like myself. But, and so we geek out big time. And, my third addition to the methylene blue magic bullet book is gonna be coming out literally within a week. We just finished it, couple days ago and just waiting on the formatter. But, yeah, this article and so we we deep dive into all the different nitric oxides and and make it make sense for people. But, yeah, it’s it’s really great in that way that it cleans up.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:39:00]:
And that’s why it works so well in depression, you know, because they found that depression is is kinda hardwired to the inducible nitric oxide, which gets me to think that a lot of people that are depressed probably have chronic infections. You know, it could be like candida or, like, different types of microbes that just are normal flora for a lot of people, and they just they don’t have a strong immune system. And that’s why, you know, they did some, large clinical trials on depression with, methylene blue. And it was higher doses of methylene blue is up towards, like, five hundred milligrams a day, you know. And and, you know, there’s so many people that are thinking, oh, I take twenty milligrams or, you know, it’s it gets dangerous when you get over, like, four milligrams per kilogram of body weight, which that’s where you kinda start to get up into that that higher level. But it’s interesting, it was a it was a large I think it was like over a thousand people and, there was a human trial as well. It wasn’t an animal study and, you know, there was no, you know, reported negative effects out of all those people for that high of a dose is pretty cool.

Nick Urban [00:40:11]:
I wasn’t planning on talking to you about methylene blue because we covered some of the basics of it, but that was, what, almost a year and a half ago. So there’s been some new additions to the conversation since then. I’ve come across that argument all the time. People take all kinds of dosages ranging from half of one milligram all the way up to hundreds of milligrams. So there is concern, which I’ve seen you talk about, about the potential interactions with other substances, such as SSRIs, anything that works anything that’s an m a o I. And I also saw when I did some digging into it that certain health agencies and governing bodies have said it’s really only an issue with very high dosage. And if you’re using it intravenously, which most of most consumers are not. What’s your current stance on the safety of methylene blue?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:41:07]:
Well, again, it’s like all the challenges are, like, in the higher dose, like you mentioned. And, there there’s not really that’s why they called the magic bullet, because it doesn’t have negative effects to the body, but, like, I mean, even water, if you take too much water, it would kill you. Right? So everything’s gonna have some sort of a situation where too much is is too much. And when when you start to get into, like, SSRIs, a lot of people look at that as a black or white, you know, that, you know, they just wouldn’t be open to and the practitioners, unfortunately, practitioners, they they may not really fully understand, the molecule and and do a deep enough dive into it. And at first blush if you if you pull it up on Google or Wikipedia or something like some of the explanations are really scary, you know, that it’s just hey, you take this with an SSRI and it’s gonna kill you. Well, you know, a, you need to have larger doses and, you know, they they found that the the the challenges they had with the SSRIs were based on five people that had a thymectomy and that was intravenous and a high dose of, you know, I think it was around five hundred milligrams done intravenously and and the thymus gland has a very high metabolic rate and so it pulls a lot of the methylene blue in because there’s a lot of mitochondria in there. And so you can distinguish the the, thymus from the rest of the other tissue so that you can get all of it. Right? Because that’s what they wanna do when they have a, a cancer in the thymus.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:42:46]:
And and so the people that have were on SSRIs had had some problems. I think a couple of them died. And so then they the warning was just a blanket warning that, you know, no SSRIs and methylene blue, but then the Mayo Clinic retracted that, the entire country of Canada retracted that, but the our US, FDA has not retracted that warning. And unfortunately, I think a lot of depression, people are are are deprived of a substance that would treat the depression and treat it in a way that’s really treating the root cause, which is the methylene blue is improving the cellular energy. It’s it’s got some antimicrobial effects, and it’s gonna calm down this nitric oxide, which is what’s actually causing the depression. We’ve all, you know, any to anybody that wants to watch TV, you’re gonna have half the commercials or commercials on. If if this antidepressant’s not working, ask your doctor to add, you know, this to it or that to it. Right? Because they don’t and, when you chronically elevate serotonin you start to run into a lot of problems.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:43:57]:
And this is important for I think a lot of people because like you could be talking about five HTP or Saint John’s wort. You know, there’s other substances that elevate, serotonin. And, yeah, you might feel a little happier, but the problem is at night, you have a you’re within your circadian rhythm, you have an area in your brain that’s called the blue spot and in Latin that means tough, in Latin that means blue blue spot. It’s locus coeruleus. And, and so the locus coeruleus has a sensor on it that, it it it it stores memory, like, so everything that happened during the day, you know, it’s like a thumb drive. You have memories that are stored here. And then when you go to sleep, particularly in REM sleep, those that memory is is up regulated up until your higher brain centers, and that’s what you call integration. Right? So you’re matching, okay, what happened today and how does that relate to things that have happened in the past? And then taking that information moving forward, like, what what things what what I might wanna plan.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:45:10]:
And so it would change your, your behavior a bit to be more, I think, mature and and grow. And so when we look at the inability to have memory consolidation, you know, it’s really it’s a lot of like and like alcohol really messes this up. Right? Like, you know, maybe we have relatives and we we have some relatives that just kept drinking, you know, all through high school and beyond, and then, you know, they were drinking for so long and then you’re looking at them saying, man, the person really hasn’t matured much. And that’s because they’re not having memory consolidation, I mean, among a lot of other things, but, alcohol, different drugs, serotonin, estrogen. So women in their lower estrogen, like higher estrogen is better for this memory consolidation, but, lower estrogen cycles, they interfere with, REM sleep. And so when you don’t get quality REM sleep, this this integration doesn’t happen. We all wanna integrate our life. Right? I mean, how it’s a big deal, like, if you wanna, like, be good in business or or you wanna play chess or you wanna like surf or learn a new sport or anything, like you wanna be able to consolidate the short term memory.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:46:27]:
And so SSRIs raise serotonin and serotonin inhibits this memory consolidation. It doesn’t allow it. And, it kinda goofs up your, and so most people that are taking, SSRIs think about it. They’re taking it because they’re depressed. Right? And we got a lot of kids on it, and we’re gonna inhibit their memory consolidation. It’s just, like, talk about it’s just not the right pathway versus what if we were to give them methylene blue? You know, I think we’d have, like, we’re we would be enhancing their their memory consolidation. There’s actually a study where they, were doing phobia, and they’re treating phobia and they were exposing them to things that they would be afraid of. And the the study was the, control group didn’t take methylene blue, but they had the methylene blue group actually take one dose of methylene blue and then they looked at what were the results and it was much better with people because they concluded that it must have been enhancing memory consolidation because it’s really a mitochondrial thing, like, it the the the cells within certain parts of your brain can have up to millions of mitochondria.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:47:45]:
Right? But, like, the average cell throughout your body might just have a few hundred, But, like, think about that. Like, a cell that has two or more million mitochondria, man, that cell is, like, super, super metabolically, powerful, but it’s also really vulnerable if you start getting challenged like we talked about the doorways and the inflammation being the real key to shutting down mitochondrial power and shifting it into this more primitive state. And and so those cells in the locus coeruleus are, like, among, you know, the most sensitive, and that’s why. And so anything that you do to enhance your vitality through enhancing your mitochondria, that and that’s what I’m into. We call it metabolic medicine. Right? Yeah. It’s just stepping back and it’s like common sense. Common sense things, keeping inflammation low, taking things that can enhance your circulation and that can, you know, different things that can help to hack your, nervous system like we’ve talked about already.

Nick Urban [00:48:54]:
The tragedy with SSRIs too is that one of the black box warnings on them is suicidal thoughts. And if this is gonna help you be happier, you wouldn’t expect to see the opposite of the intended effect as one of the potential side effects, and I love the idea of targeting some of the root causes. And it seems from your work and also from my own studying that really improving cellular energy can help address pretty much everything going on in the body. And then also if you already have it optimized and you get it to a little more optimized, then you can eke out some extra percentage points of performance.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:49:30]:
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, if if that’s what you’re into, and I think these days, what happened with COVID, I don’t know about your your thoughts, but, like, there was, like, this big stressor, right, that, like, stimulated a lot of people to start really looking at health. And it had this almost opposite effect to what I don’t know. I mean, sometimes I I you know, you look at all the conspiracy theories and they’re all turning out to be true. Right? You know, and and so we’re learning more and more about how corrupt everything was and how we were, you know, you and I and a lot of other people were having to be really quiet about our real opinion. It was somewhat censorship, but it turned into something that I think, just activated some interest in health and wellness. And, so a lot of people are really interested.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:50:26]:
I mean, you know, that’s why your podcast is doing so good because people wanna just soak it up. And you’re doing a great job. Absolutely fantastic.

Nick Urban [00:50:34]:
There’s other topics I wanna cover around methylene blue. There’s some other things I keep seeing come up online that I think since you study this and this is your wheelhouse makes sense to cover briefly. And that is the first of the issue of potential staining of internal organs by methylene blue. People expressed concern. I don’t know if that would have any functional outcome difference, like, if it would matter if your internal organs were stained blue because you’re consuming large amounts of methylene blue often. What’s your take there?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:51:04]:
Well, it so the methylene blue is gonna get into the mitochondria. Right? So it’s just like when they did the thymectomy. When they opened these individuals up, they saw the thymus gland was, like, dark blue. Right? It was stained. Right? But this clears out of your system. It’s not a permanent thing, but it’s really showing I I’ve used it. I noticed there was an article, and I’m not gonna drop names or anything, but there was a recent article that it starts with that and has pictures of, a blue brain and a blue heart, and and it it painted it to be like, okay. So this crosses the blood brain barrier.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:51:42]:
It stains, and therefore, it’s toxic. Like, to to basically have that line of rationale, it just doesn’t make sense. And in fact, you know, there’s no toxicity well, unless you get into really high doses. Right? So basically, with what we’re talking about, there’s there’s, it’s there’s there’s a lot of safety within it. It’s been around for over a hundred years. They’ve they’ve been so much studies on methylene blue and so, it’s temporarily staining because it’s getting into the mitochondria, which is what we want. And I would almost offer looking at those images is like, you know, how cool is this? We know it’s getting into the brain. And then when you think about how blue is going to absorb red, which is its opposite, and it’s gonna reflect blue.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:52:30]:
Right? So you see blue, but it’s actually a sponge for red. And that’s why, you know, the spectrum the vast majority of the sun is is in the, red and infrared. And, and so this these are the therapies that are really helpful to take to do along with methylene blue because it does kind of catch those photons and draws them into that fourth complex that we talked about earlier, the cytochrome cytochrome c. Like, it’s gonna pull those photons in, it’s gonna lubricate us to make more it’s a substance called ATP, which is at the very end of that, what’s, you know, the Krebs cycle or the electron transport chain, it’s everything. This is how we make energy. That is life force. And so the more we can pay attention to enhancing that, and so toxicity and infections, in my opinion, are at the root of almost all diseases because they’re triggering inflammation, which is triggering the cell danger response or that Warburg effect, which then shuts down life force and then we have certain genes and our genes are expressed in unique ways. Right? And so we may not detox this as good and we might be better at detoxing this and our body is doesn’t balance in this certain way.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:53:54]:
And so when you have the the low energy, then the genes get turned on that you don’t want turned on and express themselves with a disease pattern that’s unique to that individual. Okay? And so this is this is really at the core of how it works. So we can be very general in our approach with reducing inflammation in the body, taking care of your doorways. We didn’t really get into the colon, but the microbiome is just so important. Right? I’m a big fan of making your own yogurt, you know, and eating fermented foods, and there’s things within the diet that are really important like, you know, a lot of alcohol might be negative to to the microbiome and different types of medicines and so forth. But, but, yeah, you get those things. And then the prostate, you know, I do we didn’t get in. So the third edition to the book, we have a whole chapter on prostate because I really wanted to get out to the, to the world this treatment that we’re doing in the clinic called Prostabluzone.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:55:01]:
And it’s something that I felt was a really important thing to pioneer because, prostate cancer is the second leading cause of death, second leading cause of cancer in men over the age of 40. And it’s a big deal, right, and it’s very treatable with a lot of things in the sense that they can remove the prostate, and if it’s caught early enough, most people survive, although a lot of people might have incontinence and not be able to get an erection and and, you know, all the things surrounding having the surgery. But what I found is that there’s an infection in virtually all men that we’ve tested over the age of 40. And certainly, if you’re having frequent urination or it’s difficult to initiate the flow, or you’re feeling some, you know, achiness or sensation, around, you know, kind of the area of the prostate, then you might wanna do a semen test. And so you can reach out to us and we can send you a kit and, and so you you collect the semen and it goes into this special lab that does something called next next generation sequencing. And this next generation sequencing, they literally have the DNA pattern of up to 60,000 microbes and they cross reference it with what antibiotic, it’s sensitive to. So the report we get back, generally, it’s anywhere from two or three to sometimes five or six microbes and and then they tell you which antibiotic and so then we we we may add one or two different antibiotics. We take methylene blue.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:56:42]:
We take the patient’s blood and spin it down because the the the immune system is in that buffy coat, if you will. There’s white blood cells or platelets and that I I had learned about a study where they had horses that were refractory to, antibiotics and they had infections in their knees. And so instead of putting these horses down, the this researcher took their blood and just injected platelet rich plasma into their knees and it cleared it up. It’s like the it just goes in there and it just like mops up all the different, microbes. And so I thought that would be a good idea to add into this kind of entourage, treatment. And then we inject ozone and so this injection is done with you know medical staff, ultrasound guidance and it’s a series of three. So individuals first do the semen test, we look to see what microbes they have, I mean, we’ve had people where, like, they couldn’t ejaculate, right? So they’re, like, we had one person had most of their prostate removed from a surgery, there’s still some left and they just couldn’t ejaculate and then they started ejaculating right after, you know, within a few days of receiving the treatment. People with urinary incontinence, you know, you you’ll see a lot of improvement improvement there.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:57:59]:
But this is a this is a pocket in the male body that can harbor chronic infection and release these endotoxins, which can then, you know, cause a lot of problems throughout the entire body. Just like in the mouth, you also have cavitations that can happen with with the the bone and the where your wisdom teeth are removed or, root canals. Right? So it’s not just in the mouth of the gums, but you’re talking about, like, actually in the bony structure. And so these are all these are all things that you get these things dialed in and a lot of doctors treating cancer, I mean, that’s what they do, the coffee enemas, right, and the cone beam and then, you know, removing the cavitations, getting them, you know, away from a lot of refined foods to their microbiome. It’s very microbiome focused diet. You know, this is at the core, you know, and I would almost say just most people would do really well with a good well rounded kind of protocol just just thinking in these terms.

Nick Urban [00:58:59]:
Yeah. Would you see some of these stealth infections on routine blood work, like, say, HS, CRP, or some kind of other biomarker like that if you couldn’t explain an otherwise, say, high value?

Dr. John Lieurance [00:59:10]:
Are you talking about with the lab test for the for the, at the prostate with the semen test or the just the general that we talked about in the beginning, like the EBV and

Nick Urban [00:59:20]:
So if if people had infections in either place, would would they I mean, obviously, the targeted test is gonna be a lot more effective. But if they saw a high number otherwise, could they also figure out that, okay, perhaps I have a stealth infection. That’s why my inflammation’s out of the range or what it should be for someone who’s otherwise healthy, and therefore, I should follow-up and do additional testing.

Dr. John Lieurance [00:59:41]:
Yeah. Yeah. I I think that that’s a reasonable line of thinking. They don’t always show up in lab work is the problem. You know? And the standard labs that doctors are using, that I used for a good amount of my practice be in the earlier days, you know, that just doesn’t show up. And then you start to, like, with, like, c reactive protein. Right? If you if you do high sensitivity c reactive protein, you’re gonna actually be seeing something that’s a little bit more reflective or just regular CRP, which is a marker for inflammation in a lot of the cases I see is normal where the they also call it cardiac CRP, but it’s a more it’s a more sensitive marker. But it’s it’s it’s hard to to really navigate, the the the standard lab work with people.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:00:29]:
You have to you have to do, like, special labs that, you know, and, like, the testing of the EBV and HHV six and the cytomegalovirus and some of the other viral viral infections are not normally tested. And most doctors, when I’ve done them, the patient has gone to their primary and they come back. Most times these doctors will say, oh, you know, that’s nonsense because it’s, you know, either it’s it could be that you had in the past. Right? But when you look at these these people’s history, which is what they don’t really consider, is like, okay. You know, have you been sick in the last year? And, you know, a lot of these people have just been sick for a long time. You know? And and so the the history needs to match that where they got, you know, they got really ill and then then that they don’t feel good. Right? But a lot of these people maybe don’t have that that history. And so you can’t necessarily just assume that these titers are high just because they had the infection when they were a kid.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:01:32]:
You know, it doesn’t last that long. Right? So they’re not done by a lot of a lot of doctors because they don’t understand them that way.

Nick Urban [01:01:40]:
From your experience, I I recognize that since people are coming to you, there’s gonna be a bias, like a sample bias that they’re coming to you to work with and so they probably suspect they already have some kind of infection whether acute or chronic. Are you seeing that in general across your population that people have something, whether it’s in the prostate or elsewhere, maybe systemic in the body?

Dr. John Lieurance [01:02:03]:
I think just about everybody is gonna have some level. And, again, you know, we talked about how there’s, like, healthy amounts. And, you know, if we were not getting stimulated to, you know, our immune system wasn’t getting stimulated at all, then that wouldn’t be a great thing. But I think there’s periods where things can become problematic and then not so problematic, and it could be related to cycles that individuals have. It could be seasonal cycles. Right? Sometimes people, you know, like in the wintertime, they have cycles where they’ll get sick more often, they’ll maybe be more depressed because that, you know, they’re not getting as much light. So so those types of situations, I think, may lend themselves where they could get more parasites, eating habits, you know, if you’re eating sushi a lot. That’s why I say, like, a parasite cleanse once a year could make a lot of sense because it’s likely there’s something there.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:02:58]:
So it’s it’s this maintenance protocol, like the the nasal spray, like, even a healthy individual. You know, like I said, I keep my my gluestat spray in my car. And when I’m driving, I just do a couple sprays. And I what the way I like to do it when I spray it gets my nose really running. I don’t know about you but like I spray and then I blow my nose now I’m like really clear then I spray another spray in there and then it’s just kinda like because you kinda get rid got biofilm out with that first spray.

Nick Urban [01:03:28]:
And for people who are mouth breathers, that can be a simple way without needing some kind of fancy protocol. Start there. If that works, great. If it doesn’t, then you can go down and explore the alternative routes. And actually, I plan on talking to you about functional cranial release today. We didn’t get into that at all or some of the other modalities you’re using. So perhaps there’ll be a teaser for next time. If people want to connect with you to try your products, I know you have a private members association that I’m a part of called mitozen dot club.

Nick Urban [01:03:58]:
How would you recommend people get a hold of you, follow your work, or try some of your products?

Dr. John Lieurance [01:04:04]:
Yeah. So, the clinic, website is advancedrejuvenation.us. I’m doctor John Laurence at, in in Instagram, that’s my handle. Mitozen, m I t o z e n, like you said it’s a it’s a PMA, it’s a club. We have a .com site as well, but there’s not all the products. Like, so if you’re listening to this podcast and some of, like, the the the nasal sprays and so forth, we don’t have, available, only the club members. So, yeah, that’s that’s it. I’m on Instagram quite a bit.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:04:38]:
I’m curious, Nick, where are you? Because you look like you’re somewhere tropical.

Nick Urban [01:04:42]:
Yeah. I’m currently on vacation down in Baja, Mexico right now. I usually am based out of Austin, but today is the exception. Wow.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:04:50]:
Is it what’s this way? Like, I’m I’m wanting you to, like, move your camera over. Like, is that the beach or something?

Nick Urban [01:04:57]:
No. The beach is down the road. It’s it’s like a thirty second walk from here, but that’s just the backyard.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:05:02]:
That’s awesome. Well, enjoy your vacation. How much longer are you there for?

Nick Urban [01:05:07]:
Thanks. I’m here for another ten days.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:05:09]:
Oh, gosh. Soak it up, brother.

Nick Urban [01:05:12]:
Yes. Will do. Well, doctor John, this has been a blast like last time and, like, hopefully, next time will be if you come back on, we can discuss some of the other things that you’re working on and your work that you release.

Dr. John Lieurance [01:05:24]:
That sounds great. Yeah. Appreciate it. It’s been a pleasure.

Nick Urban [01:05:28]:
Likewise. Until next time.