Remove Heavy Metals, Mycotoxins, Microplastics, Radioactive Material & Other Toxic Waste Using This Detox Magnet

Nick Urban [00:00:07]:
Are you a high performer, obsessed with growth, and looking for an edge? Welcome to MINDBODY Peak Performance. Together, we’ll discover underground secrets to unlocking the full potential of your mind, body, and spirit. We’ll learn from some of the world’s leading minds, from ancient wisdom to cutting edge tools and everything in between. This is your host, Nick Urban. Enjoy the episode. Your body is holding on to toxins and toxicants that no diet, no green juice, or typical supplement will fix. When levels of these toxic substances get too high, you might have unexplainable weight gain, have some issues with low energy or cognitive difficulties, perhaps digestive issues, muscle and joint pain, sleep issues, a weakened immune system, or otherwise healthy things just don’t seem to be working the way they could and should. Cellular detoxification is no longer just a fad.

Nick Urban [00:01:15]:
Joining us this week is Jeff Hoyt. He has spent years figuring out how to get rid of toxin for good. In this episode, we’re discussing a particular substance that works intelligently to detoxify called zeolite. We also tackle the common myths, what actually works and what doesn’t, as well as the link between chronic illness and toxins, reactions that sometimes happen, how to design a custom detox protocol that’ll work best for you, which agents work for particular toxic substances, and a whole lot more. Since we recorded this episode about a month ago, I’ve been using high dose zeolite every single day as part of a detox protocol to make my upcoming dry fast that much easier and more effective. If you want to try Jeff’s supercharged Zeolite, you can find his product appropriately named Zeo Charge at zeolitelabs.com. And there, if you use the code urban, that will save you 10% on your order. The link to his product and the show notes for this episode will be at mindbodypeak.com/thenumber190nine.

Nick Urban [00:02:31]:
If you want more to accompany this episode, I also wrote an article on rapid cellular detox that includes Zeolyte among other fancy and effective biohacking strategies. You can get that also in the show notes. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, sit back, relax, and enjoy this conversation with Jeff Hoyt from Zeolyte Labs. Jeff, welcome to the podcast.

Jeff Hoyt [00:02:54]:
Thanks, Nick. Happy to be here.

Nick Urban [00:02:55]:
Today, we’ll be diving into your world, and that is something called Zeolyte. My audience may or may not know what it is, but how did you get involved with it, and what makes it special?

Jeff Hoyt [00:03:08]:
Sure. So I got it I got involved with it about five years ago, just looking deeper into detox and kind of the functional health biohacking space. And I was experimenting with a number of different detox agents, you know, synthetics and, the natural agents, sauna, the technology, all of these things. And then I came across Xeolight and realized that it was really unique. And it had some unique properties, very powerful, but it was also being widely misused in the industry. And, so I’ve kind of dedicated my time since then, just to providing education on, you know, what it is, how to use it most effective effectively for just health recovery and improvement.

Nick Urban [00:03:49]:
Okay. Before we get into what it is, what have you done, the unusual nonnegotiables so far today for your health, your performance, and your bioharmony?

Jeff Hoyt [00:04:00]:
Today, so sleep. I think, for me, it’s usually sleep. So I think I got up at 11:00 this morning. You know? So I got I’ve been kind of recovering a little bit as well from something. So I’ve been I’ve been sleeping, you know, up to twelve hours a night for the last five nights or so. So it have you know, no alarm, and I like to do that when I can, just because just let my body rest as much as it needs. So that’s number one for today. I just rested.

Jeff Hoyt [00:04:28]:
I woke up. Today, I didn’t take some chlorine dioxide, just, still kind of part of the recovery when I woke up to that a couple of times.

Nick Urban [00:04:36]:
Chlorine dioxide?

Jeff Hoyt [00:04:37]:
Chlorine dioxide. Yep. So CDS or some, some people call it MMS miracle mineral solution. There’s a lot of, I don’t take it regularly. But I just hadn’t taken it in quite a while. And I was just trying to recover quickly from something. So I just decided to take that. But yeah, that

Nick Urban [00:04:55]:
Is that more for an illness type thing? Or is it for general purposes?

Jeff Hoyt [00:05:00]:
It’s it’s an oxidation, like an oxidative therapy. So it’s primarily used as an antimicrobial. So, I mean, they’ve used it. I think it was originally discovered as a human therapeutic for, being used as an anti malaria supplement in I think it was South America, might have been in Africa. But since then, it’s kind of gained popularity. And there’s a lot of interesting a lot of people take it. It’s it’s quite powerful. So a lot of people with, you know, Lyme disease and microbial imbalances will take it because it is quite, quite powerful.

Jeff Hoyt [00:05:34]:
But I I haven’t taken taken it in a few years, but

Nick Urban [00:05:37]:
I’m sorry. What’s the safety profile on it like?

Jeff Hoyt [00:05:40]:
It’s I mean, it’s probably like a lot of the other oxidation things. I mean, it’s safer than an antibiotic, safer than most things, that are that powerful. So for in terms of what it can to punch it and pack, it’s probably about the safest thing you can take. But you can definitely take too much of it and, kill things a little bit too quickly. So especially if you have, like, a chronic, chronic infection that’s been there for a long time. So when I started taking it a number of years ago, there’s a protocol you’re supposed to follow where you do, like, a drop every hour. And the next day, you do two drops every hour, three drops you work with. After the first day, I just went straight to the ten drops, did that all day, and then I was I was just, like, violently throwing up, that evening.

Jeff Hoyt [00:06:25]:
So so whether that was a detox reaction, you know, purging something, or if it was just kind of I was nauseated from it kind of has a chlorine smell. So it could have been that. So I’ve ever I haven’t taken it since then just because I’ve kind of had a, like, almost like a p developed, like, a PTSD to it where I smell that, and I’m already very sensitive to chlorine, that smell. And it’s not chlorine, but it has that similar smell. So, I haven’t taken it, but I was able to tolerate it the last few days. No problem. So

Nick Urban [00:06:56]:
Interesting. Do you ever stack different oxidative therapies together? Like, one can mine them for me was ozone?

Jeff Hoyt [00:07:01]:
Yeah. So I do. And I I haven’t I’m actually out of ozone or I’m out of oxygen in my FCO to go get it filled. I do the rectal ozone insufflation as well. So I’ll do that in the case I do like that. I wouldn’t have been doing that. I just amount of the oxygen. But I’ll do sometimes I’ll do the, the oxy powder pills from Global Healing Center, which is allegedly a stabilized ozone.

Jeff Hoyt [00:07:24]:
But whatever it is, it’s it’s oxidative. It’s pretty powerful stuff as well. So I I was doing a little bit of that as well. But, yeah, I like to stack them a little bit, and then I don’t take the antioxidants at the same time or anything because I feel like it kinda, will, you know, counteract each other. So I like to I’m trying to take a lot more so or sorry, a lot less. A lot less. So, like, this morning, I just did the chlorine dioxide. I didn’t take a bunch of other stuff.

Jeff Hoyt [00:07:50]:
That’s pretty much it. So I’ve been trying to tone I’ve just been trying to tone things down in general over the last year or two just because we end up with so many supplements. I kinda get sick of taking capsules. So yeah, I’ve just kind of been trying to tone things down a little bit.

Nick Urban [00:08:02]:
Yeah. When you take too many capsules, then you just gotta switch to rectilozone. Exactly. Okay. It’s interesting. Like, it seems like the whole I don’t know your purposes that you generally use oxidative therapies, but, like, the whole longevity world was so into antioxidants for a long time, and it became clear that those don’t have the intended purpose of increasing lifespan or health span. And now there’s, like, a reversion back towards oxidative therapies, which seems counterintuitive, but, like, the overall net effect seems like it might not just be damaging.

Jeff Hoyt [00:08:35]:
Yeah. I think it just with both of them, I think they could both be damaging if they’re overdone. It’s because it’s all of their home hormetic therapies. You just want to stress out the body and then let the body recover, whether it’s an antioxidant therapy or oxidative. So is, I mean, like methylene blue is another one. A lot of things are oxidative or antioxidative based on the dose. So like vitamin C, right, antioxidant at a low dose, oxidative at a high dose, methylene blue antioxidant low dose, high dose is oxidative. So a lot of you most of the I mean, traditionally, people would take the oxidative therapies for a short term to recover from something, and then they take the lower dose antioxidants long term.

Jeff Hoyt [00:09:11]:
But I don’t know, if I don’t know. I’m I’m I don’t like taking anything really forever or long term, if not necessary. I like to get off of as many things as possible, especially things that we just don’t know about, and there’s conflicting, evidence. So I like to let kinda let the body recover from that. But there’s some interesting stuff. I I’ve long been a fan of oxygen therapies. So I’ve used, you know, Ewok systems that, like, the altitude training systems where you go back and forth. I love that.

Jeff Hoyt [00:09:37]:
I was doing that a long time before I got into the ozone. But stuff like that’s good. I don’t know. I I’m I’m I’ve always been a little bit skeptical of some of the oxidative therapies, like the high dose vitamin c and hydrogen peroxide and things of that nature, especially long term. So I don’t know if it’s a good idea to be taking, just to be putting your body in a constant state of that oxidation. But that’s just my personal opinion. But, a lot of people have found really good success with this. So I tell people, you know, whatever’s working for you, keep doing it, I suppose.

Nick Urban [00:10:09]:
Yeah. Well, I’m curious then if your routine is constantly adapting and changing, have there been any consistence of in terms of nutrients that you’re adding back in your supplementing that you stick with?

Jeff Hoyt [00:10:23]:
Not really. I mean, I I take the ZeoCharge every night. I I generally do the Fulvic as well, the FulvicCharge, which is a a Shielajit and, soil based fulvic extract. So I’m getting a lot of trace nutrients there. And then sometimes I’ll do some other nutraceuticals, like, sometimes I’ll do a polysaccharide extract of some sort, whether it be, like, an aloe vera extract, acinanin, or a medicinal mushroom extract or something, just, because those are generally very safe, just those immune regulators on occasion. And then just drinking pure water, limiting EMF. So I don’t have Wi Fi. I’m out kind of in the woods as well.

Jeff Hoyt [00:11:00]:
And then I’ll so limiting Wi Fi, I think, is a big one and and just EMF, toxicity in general. So I think that’s kind of top of the list. And then I think for me, it’s really removing the toxic elements before trying to put in the positive nutrients Because a lot of times when we we supplement with these great nutrients and they’re just not getting to where they need to go, or they’re just limited in their effect because the toxicity is just clogging things up so much. And and that’s kind of where it becomes unfair in natural health. There’s so many people that are doing everything right. They’re eating all organic diets. They’re just they’re doing everything they know to do. But if they’re not effectively removing heavy metals and various toxins from their bodies, all of the other things they’re doing are gonna be limited.

Jeff Hoyt [00:11:41]:
So that’s where I I really got into detox. Because initially, one of my other companies, it was Mega dose nutraceuticals. Like, I literally this was like eight years ago, I had a, a sticker on my car that said, mega dose nutraceuticals. Like, that was my I had a clinic. That’s what I was doing. And I had a cell phone company. It was hilarious. Yeah.

Jeff Hoyt [00:11:59]:
That didn’t go well. But I was, you know, all about just the therapeutic doses because a lot of these, with nutrition, a lot of times you need very high doses to get the desired effects. And I was primarily focused on the polysaccharide extracts at the time from new regulation. And for people with complex illnesses, they needed sometimes fifty to one hundred times the dose, as what was being provided on the label, and some of those were expensive ingredients, so you were just never able to get them. So, that’s what kind of got me into dosing, but then I realized that you could get some great results with that, but it was cost prohibitive. And the education, it was a steep, learning curve on it because it’s just no one was talking about it. And then detox is easy to understand because everyone understands basically, like, at this point, we need to be doing something to detox because we’re not gonna stay healthy by accident. And then I was I was using other things.

Jeff Hoyt [00:12:49]:
I was using humic and fulvics and seaweeds and all this other stuff, but they just didn’t really compare to the zeolite in terms of what they could do. So that’s kind of what I’ve been focusing on just because even the people that were on my old $1,800 leaky gut package, they were getting good results, but they had to keep taking it. And I never intended for people to continue taking these protocols. It was supposed to be like a ninety day thing and you’re done. And then it was just becoming too expensive because they were using it as a symptoms management. But people are getting the same results with just the one product, with the zero charges they were with that whole protocol. And it’s a lot simpler, a lot more pleasant, And, you know, a lot of that caps a lot less capsules. And it’s just it seems to work as well.

Jeff Hoyt [00:13:28]:
And it’s I think it’s getting more to the root cause as opposed to just, managing symptoms. So that’s kind of where I’m at now. But lots of great lots of great stuff out there. I just I’m happy to be part of the part of the industry and providing education on one of those things.

Nick Urban [00:13:41]:
Yeah. Detox is one of those subjects that I didn’t want to dive into. And the more I looked into things, the more I realized that, really, it’s foundational to all health and wellness and well-being goals. And by doing it intentionally, you can clean up the signal to noise ratio going on in the body, and then everything else becomes more effective. But even then, like, detox is so vast, and there’s so many different protocols and products and molecules and ways of getting through it and nuances even. Like, if you’re you detox too fast, you can have a a herx reaction and you can feel sick. And, like, is this sickness a sign I’m getting through it? Or is it a sign that, like, my body’s telling me I should slow down and or stop?

Jeff Hoyt [00:14:27]:
Yeah. And I’ll I’ll address that at some point. We can wait if you want, but I I don’t think you can detox too fast. I think you can only detox too inefficiently.

Nick Urban [00:14:34]:
Interesting. And then I came across ZeoCharge and Zeolite. I thought it was fascinating because of something called the swap mechanism. Can you break down what sets Zeolite apart from other binders and substances people use as part of their protocols?

Jeff Hoyt [00:14:52]:
Sure. So and there’s various methods of detox. Right? And there’s a lot of lot of good stuff. Traditionally, pretty much all detox most detox agents are designed to add stress to the body with the result of removing some sort of toxic element. But during the process of removal, you’re, you know, mobilizing some sort of toxic element from tissue, from organs, wherever it may be, and as they mobilize the systems of the body are then escorting it out of the body, that’s gonna cause some level of stress. And hence, we then get, you know, detox reactions and potentially herpes reactions if there’s microbes involved. And that’s gonna be a lot of thick the homeopathics and a lot of things that are going in either pulling metals out of tissue or they’re stimulating the body to naturally push them out. Then you have binders, which are kind of the opposite where they’re supposed to be reducing stress on the body.

Jeff Hoyt [00:15:43]:
So most of the other things add stress on the body, and then binders reduce stress on the body because they’re binding. They’re just grabbing things that are currently floating around. And a lot of practitioners will combine those protocols. And, like, Chris Shade will talk about, like, the push, catch protocol, and that’s pretty common, where you push the metals or toxins out with some sort of stimulating agent, and then you catch them with a binder or a set of binders. And that’s so you’re stressing out the body, and then you’re mitigating that stress with the binder. So that’s one approach. And then I’ll get into the catch and release in a bit. But with binders in general, the problem is most of them are supposed to be reducing stress in the body, but sometimes they’re actually adding stress on the body still, even though the whole point of them is to reduce stress.

Jeff Hoyt [00:16:25]:
And so a lot of people can’t tolerate them. And it’s because things are so complicated. And when because most people, they’ll get a test and they’ll say, oh, mercury is my problem or aluminum or whatever it may be. But we find what we look for in tests. Like, something’s always gonna pop up positive, but it doesn’t mean it’s your problem. It might be might be a major part of your problem. It might be a small part, but it’s not the whole problem. There’s always a lot of things.

Jeff Hoyt [00:16:48]:
If you have one, accumulated toxic element, you’re probably going to have 100 more or a lot more, right. So it’s just that we’re not testing for all of them. So we don’t know what the actual problem is. So, for example, when we are focusing strictly on heavy metal detox, sometimes we limit ourselves because we’re missing all of the other, you know, microplastics, environmental toxicants, metabolic waste products, and all these other things that need to be detoxed or or dealt with as well, but we’re not dealing with them. So with for example, with like a synthetic chelator that goes in and it binds to lead, it’s it just disrupts things, right? It’s grabbing the lead, it might also be binding to some essential nutrients, which could be problematic. But then it stirs things up. And let’s say it break, it releases some parasites or some some bacteria, it releases some glyphosate, it releases whatever it may release. Let’s say it’s EDTA or some other chelator.

Jeff Hoyt [00:17:39]:
It’s not gonna grab onto those other things. It’s only grabbing on to the metal, and then the body has to deal with that detox stress. Right? So it’s not necessarily a bad thing because you’re still gonna generally have a net positive. You’re gonna be removing some of the lead or some of the, metal from your body, but it’s going to come at a cost and that cost is stress on the body. And that’s generally why you have to go on and off, on and off. And some people just can’t tolerate it because they’re very sensitive to detox and and it’s just too much stress for their bodies. So so with that key leaders are generally non selective they’re just going in synthetic key leaders and grabbing a lot of heavy metals and potentially some essential nutrients and all sorts of stuff. Then you have binders, which are a little bit more selective there the there’s less, they have a less of a bind to the metals and they have stronger bond to the other things.

Jeff Hoyt [00:18:30]:
So like the charcoals, the bentonite clays, a lot of these other things are going to be a little more broad spectrum. But still, they’re not necessarily selective, they just go in and grab stuff. So generally can’t be taken long term potentially cause some nutrient deficient deficiencies. Sometimes there’s some issues with constipation, etcetera. So zeolite to answer your finally getting around to your question.

Nick Urban [00:18:51]:
Before we get on to my question though, what are some examples of chelators? You you mentioned a couple binders, and you mentioned, I think, EDTA as a chelator. Are there others that are popular and or natural substances that people consume?

Jeff Hoyt [00:19:04]:
Yep. So you’ve got the the naturals and the synthetics. So the naturals the synthetics are generally called chelators, and the naturals are generally called binders. And they work very similarly, or as kinda how we consider them, or at least most people that they sometimes they’re interchangeable. You can say they’re natural chelators or they’re synthetic binders. It’s but the generally, when I say chelator, I’m talking about synthetic. When I say binder, I’m talking about natural. So the synthetics, you have things like the EDTA, which is probably the most popular.

Jeff Hoyt [00:19:30]:
It’s been around for a long time. Pretty strong bond to to to to lead primarily bonds to some other things as well. But it’s a little bit weaker for some things. Then you have a DMSA, DMPS, imiramide, which OSR, which is a strong mercury chelator, which is not commercially available, but that’s probably the strongest chelator developed specifically for mercury. There’s there’s all sorts of synthetics. They some are better than others. Sometimes you have to do a complex of them to get kind of a range. But I don’t generally like synthetic chelators because they’re so focused on heavy metals.

Jeff Hoyt [00:20:09]:
And then you’re gonna be missing most of the other toxicity, which is, kind of the benefits from the binders. So and some people combine them. We can talk about that too. But then the binders, you’ve got activated charcoal. You’ve got bentonite clay. You’ve got pectins. You’ve got other sorts of clays. You’ve got, I mean, there’s, like, immunoglobulins, like serum derived bivalent immune immunoglobulins.

Jeff Hoyt [00:20:33]:
You’ve got even technically, like, fulvic and humic acids can be considered binders. So there’s all sorts of things. Some of them are stronger than others, and they have different properties. And then there’s zeolite. So zeolite is an actual binder, but it’s a little bit different for a number of reasons. One, it has the swap mechanism, which you which you commented on. So basically, instead of just going in like charcoal, you take if you got if you overdosed on something, even in the hospital, sometimes they’ll give you a charcoal solution because it goes in and just grabs everything, which is great for short term. But it’s not just, like, selecting what it wants to bind to, it just grabs.

Jeff Hoyt [00:21:08]:
Then you have zeolite, which just works by a swap mechanism. So instead of just going in and grabbing everything, it’s selectively binding things, and it works through swapping. So naturally occurring zeolites have electrolytes. So potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium in their cage. So that’s the other thing about zeolites, it has a cage structure. So opposed to just absorbing, attaching these toxic elements to the surface, like other binders and chelators, it actually is bringing the it can do that as well, but it can bring the toxic elements into its cage, which is more it’s more, of a secure it fastens it more securely, and it’s less likely to drop it. And it’ll trade the potassium or magnesium, sodium, or calcium that’s in the cage for a heavier element. And that’s why it will leave the essential nutrients alone because it already has the electrolytes that it prefers.

Jeff Hoyt [00:21:56]:
So if it comes across iodine or something, it just leaves it alone. But then if it comes across a heavier metal, that’s why they’re called heavy metals because they’re heavier, and then trades that essential nutrient for the heavy metal, puts it in the cage. So that’s kind of how that works. And that they it can swap multiple times. It’s not just limited to one swap. So if the zeolite has magnesium in it in the cage, it comes across mercury. It trades the magnesium for the mercury fantastic, but then it comes across lead. It likes lead better.

Jeff Hoyt [00:22:24]:
It trades the mercury for the lead. That’s one of the reasons, why dose is so important, which we can get into in a bit. But that’s that’s the basis of how it works. It’s it’s a cage like structure, kinda like a honeycomb. And it has all these micropores in it. And then they contain these essential minerals, and it swaps those minerals for heavier elements, which happen to be the heavy metals, the mycotoxins, environmental toxicants, glyphosate, radioactive materials, microplastics, some of the all sorts of stuff, metabolic waste products, ammonia, histamine, urea. So it’s a very broad spectrum. It binds to a lot of things, but it does so without, directly binding onto your central nutrients, which is really important if you wanna be doing a detox long term.

Jeff Hoyt [00:23:05]:
So it’s one of those things where you don’t if you’re responding well, you can actually reduce the stress tone on your body. And you, if you go off of the product, sometimes it’s more stressful than staying on the product, which is very unique in detox.

Nick Urban [00:23:17]:
Interesting. Yeah. I was gonna ask, I mean, first of all, it seems a bit sad that if it comes across it has mercury in the cage and it comes across lead that it will drop the swap out the lead for the mercury and all of a sudden you have mercury back in your body. You mentioned dose being the solution to that, and we’ll definitely go into that more. But I didn’t realize that pretty much all of the waste products and toxicants in the body and everything, those are gonna be heavier than the things that it naturally contains in the cage.

Jeff Hoyt [00:23:49]:
And those are actually quite toxic. So some of the waste products we produce, which is normal, we’re all producing waste products, but like ammonia, for example, it’s an incredibly toxic substance we’re all producing. But some people, if if you’re not healthy, healthier you are, the better your natural detox functions are working. Right? But let’s say your liver’s not working properly. Your body’s not gonna be breaking down ammonia into its byproduct urea. Then if your kidneys aren’t working, then your body might not be excreting their urea. So urea, so you get a buildup of both, see what binds to both. But yeah, some things are very toxic.

Jeff Hoyt [00:24:20]:
If you’re not excreting them rapidly, that’s where there’s a problem. And that takes up a lot of your detox energy. So that’s really, I think, what what the issue is. People that have complex illnesses, it may be that the heavy metals and toxins cause the the complex illness, or it may be that they’re a result of the complex illness. Because a lot of people, they have these issues, they go get tested and they say, okay, here’s my problem. I’ve got, you know, mercury and all this other stuff. But is it possible that your body was so focused on something else that your body then didn’t have energy to process the other heavy metals that it was dealing with, and it just put them into storage. Right? Because the body, you have to think of the body in terms of priority.

Jeff Hoyt [00:24:59]:
The body is going to the body has a certain amount of energy to do everything it has to do in a day. And if it doesn’t have enough energy to do everything, it has to pick and choose what it wants to do. And toxin, heavy metals and toxicants are not a top priority because the body can put them into a storage unit, which is fat. Some of the other things that has to process. Right? But so so like for for the metabolic waste products, when you’re eating and you’re producing ammonia as a byproduct of digestion, your body really has to deal with that immediately. And then if you have excess, histamine production, you have excess oxidative stress, so free radicals, you have all these things. Your body is actively dealing with these all the time. Then if you have these other heavy metals coming in, or whatever it may be, talk toxicants from personal care products or, you know, food, water, air, then your body’s not gonna have energy to deal with it.

Jeff Hoyt [00:25:49]:
So it just says, we’re just gonna tuck these into fat somewhere, and we’re gonna deal with them later. Right? And then they just the body never gets around to it because it’s continually dealing with the daily dose of toxins. Right? So that’s that’s really the challenge. So so I think that one of the keys to an effective detox is is dealing with the daily dose of toxins first and then raising your body’s detox energy. So it has enough energy to then go and start dealing with these deeply stored metals and toxins that have potentially been there for a long time. With traditional detox, we focus on just going in and trying to remove these deeply stored metals and things, but we bypass that first layer of detox, which is the, what your body’s currently processing, which is metabolic waste products and everything else. So that’s where these detox symptoms come in because if you’re at full capacity, and I call it like, I have three levels of detox. Level one is what your body’s currently processing.

Jeff Hoyt [00:26:43]:
Level two is kind of a general, like, fat throughout the body. And it’s gonna be, I call it a short term storage. And then deep storage is like the long term heavy metal accumulation organs and just kind of throughout the body that haven’t moved for a while. So most detoxes aim to go in straight to level three or to level two, and pull them out, but they’re bringing them into level one for excretion. You can’t bypass that. So if you’re at full capacity in level one, just from your daily life, and then you try to move something around, you’re gonna get the detox symptoms because the detox symptom is a sign that your body doesn’t have enough energy to deal with everything that is currently processing. So while people think, oh, this is a great sign, it means it’s working. To some extent, it does, but it also means that this is more than your body wants to handle right now.

Jeff Hoyt [00:27:29]:
So with XeoCharge, what you’re essentially doing is going in and you’re binding to level one. You’re binding to what the body is currently processing, and then the body at its own pace will release from levels three and two because now there’s room to receive it. That’s why I call it more of a catch and release opposed to push catch. Because with push catch, you’re pushing things out of levels three and two and to level one, adding a bunch of stress, and then you’re going in with a binder and trying to then remove it. But you’ve already caused the inflammatory reaction and stress on the body, so it’s limited. But if with the zero charge, you’re binding first or catching, and then the body says, oh, I have extra energy now. I’m going to release on my own pace. And that’s why a lot of people can take zero charge without having the detox reactions because the body’s only gonna be releasing at its own pace opposed to trying to fight against the body.

Jeff Hoyt [00:28:16]:
So it’s really more working with the body’s natural detox functions opposed to going in and trying to rip something out that potentially the body doesn’t wanna let go of.

Nick Urban [00:28:23]:
Interesting. I’m now seeing, like, connecting the dots. There are so many different use cases and reasons that this makes sense. It almost seems like it should be universal because if you’re getting sick often, your immune system is not performing the way it should, you’re you’re overtaxed, too much reactive oxygen species, all that stuff, your body’s not gonna have as much reserve to do the necessary detoxification needs. Say you’re not sleeping enough, say you’re following a high protein diet and you have extra ammonia that you’re producing as a byproduct. It just seems like there’s so many different reasons that having a little extra assistance here can facilitate overall better health and performance.

Jeff Hoyt [00:29:01]:
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It’s it’s one of those things, especially now. Most people I mean, the healthier you are, the less you’re gonna need, the less support you’re gonna need. But if you have a complex health issue or just pretty much everyone these days has had some level of toxicity, just that extra assistance, can be super helpful. And then just the problem is most people that are looking for detox support are doing things that are adding stress to the body, which can just be really problematic long term because it’s kind of doing the opposite of what they want. While long term, it might be reducing stress on the body, short term, it’s adding stress to the body because it’s putting more into the body’s processing center.

Jeff Hoyt [00:29:36]:
And that can actually a lot of people, it can it can cause a lot of serious issues when you start detoxing, especially if your immune system’s at full capacity and just can’t handle that more. I mean, it could trigger autoimmunity. It can trigger some more some all sorts of terrible things if your body’s not in a position to detox. So that’s why, some people are deemed too sick to detox. Right? They’re not in a position to do so. But even those people generally do really well in zero charge because it’s the opposite approach is reducing stress first and allowing the body to add stress to itself if it wants to. But there’s no guarantee someone could be taking any detox supplement, the best, you know, they could choose the five best detox supplements in the world, take them all. There’s no guarantee that they’re gonna be detoxing.

Jeff Hoyt [00:30:16]:
Most people just assume that they’re detoxing based on whatever the company’s website says or whatever their practitioner says. Detox is up to the body. If the body doesn’t wanna detox, it’s not gonna detox. That’s really all there is to it. You could take the strongest known synthetic key later and assume it’s removing all the mercury from the body. It might not be removing any mercury from your body. Because if your cells don’t wanna let go of that mercury, it’s not gonna let go of that mercury. So some people are on these protocols for a long time assuming that it’s working, but it may it may or may not be working.

Jeff Hoyt [00:30:46]:
Generally, it’s gonna be doing something in level one. But once all that, the same mercury is out of level one, there’s no guarantee. Even if this chelator is designed to go into the brain and remove mercury, there’s no guarantee it’s gonna gonna be able to do that. And the studies are very misleading because when you have like a synthetic chelator that has a study showing that that it can remove mercury from organs. When you when you have, like, the animals that were just ingest so let’s say, I think usually they’re rats, but let’s say or mice listed, they’re rats. The rats are just injected with mercury, then they take this chelating compound and it removes the mercury from the organs, which is fantastic. That’s a much different situation than if the rats would have had mercury for twenty years. Right? So if you were just injected with mercury, your body’s kind of freaking out.

Jeff Hoyt [00:31:31]:
It doesn’t know what to do. It doesn’t want the mercury. It’s in level one. It’s in processing. You take the chelator. The body’s gonna let go of it. It doesn’t want it. Right? It hasn’t really settled in yet.

Jeff Hoyt [00:31:40]:
But if you have a Malcolm fillings in your mouth and they’ve been re releasing mercury over twenty five, thirty five, forty years, now you take that chelator. They these this mercury has been at home in your brain cells for many years, your body’s not just gonna let go of it all of a sudden, because it’s afraid. It may or may not be it may may let go it may not depends on the person. But if you’re at max capacity and level one, and you’re have more of a complex illness in your body is afraid that the stress of the removal process is going to be have a great impact and it’s just not going to let go. Right? Because the body’s focused on the short term survival over long term thrival. So the body would actually prefer to keep the metal, the mercury in your brain, opposed to having it being removed from the brain where it’s been attacked by the immune system, resulting in inflammation and all sorts of issues on the way out. So if you’re not able to handle that, the body says, let’s just keep this mercury in the brain because I can survive with a a shrunken brain, but I can’t handle this level of stress during the removal process. So it’s very interesting, but that’s that’s one of the keys I always like to drive home is that detox really is determined, by the body.

Jeff Hoyt [00:32:48]:
And and the body knows best. That’s kind of the point. So I don’t like to fight against the body’s natural processes during detox because either it’s just not gonna work or it’s gonna be a terrible situation where we get terribly ill. And and the detox is gonna be limited generally either way because even if you are able to rip some metal out, it’s kinda gonna be a fight and the body’s not gonna wanna let go of a lot. So sometimes with these chelators, people, will notice a tug of war effect in their brain where there’s like a tugging on their brain where, like, the chelator is actually in there trying to remove the mercury, but it just won’t let go. So they’re so that’s why some I mean, for a healthy person that was just exposed, they might be the best thing. And for maybe someone that is is not really symptomatic and they’ve even had mercury for a long time, it still might be very helpful. But for those people who their body just doesn’t want to detox, a lot of times those chelators and things are gonna be less effective because they’re only focusing on the metals.

Jeff Hoyt [00:33:40]:
They’re bypassing level one, which is where most of the toxicity is. We wanna deal with that first and then allow the body at its own pace to just let go, and detox at its own pace.

Nick Urban [00:33:50]:
In the modern world, say someone’s losing weight, maybe they’re using Ozempic or other GLP ones, they’re, like, really dropping a lot of pounds quickly. They might experience the symptoms of detox because you’re liberating the fat, and the fat has the heavy metals and other contaminants in it that you don’t want. What do they do then? Would introducing a binder or chelator or ZeoCharge, is that the right time or should they just be should they go slower and make sure their body has enough, like, reserves to handle it?

Jeff Hoyt [00:34:21]:
Yeah. I would say I mean, if if you’re already stressing out the body, doing something to reduce that stress is gonna be is gonna be the key is going to be key. So, like, zero charge is generally, I would say, a great idea in any weight loss protocol. Because when you’re losing weight, you’re mobilizing all sorts of stuff, it can be very toxic on your body. So I always tell people to detox, you know, a couple months before they start losing weight or at least start at the same time, because you definitely want to be, you want to be binding to as many of those things as you can, so that there’s no redistribution. So let’s say you’re you just lost you’re losing weight, and these these metals and toxins and various things are being mobilized, but your body can’t safely remove them all. Some of them are gonna have to find a new home, and it could end up even worse than before because that new home might be organs. So the downside of losing weight is you are reducing your storage space in your body for heavy metals and toxins, and they’re gonna have to find more space.

Jeff Hoyt [00:35:15]:
So it thinner people, a lot of times have a higher high more issues with toxicity than heavier people, because they have less general fat to store the heavy metals and toxins, and it’s just go straight to organs. So you want to make sure as you’re losing weight that your body is able to safely excrete it. I know if it’s not, some people can just do that on their own, but other people are gonna need some sort of assistance, which potentially could be something like a zero charge to help us squirt that out of the body.

Nick Urban [00:35:40]:
How would you know? One, if

Jeff Hoyt [00:35:42]:
you’re having symptoms. So if you’re if you’re having if you’re getting headaches, getting really anything, any sort of, you know, inflammatory event, it could be a sign of a detox reaction. That would be a good sign. But otherwise, if you’re doing lab testing, so just even traditional lab work, if if your markers are getting worse and not better, even though you’re losing weight, you might have a be having some sort of redistribution to metals or stress of, stress of the weight loss, and that would be a sign as well.

Nick Urban [00:36:10]:
That’s a whole another topic to explore with you. The best forms of testing. There’s the hair tissue mineral analysis. There’s, like, oligo scans, and there are, like, typical blood serums, urine tests. How do you actually get an accurate gauge of what it is that you have accumulated?

Jeff Hoyt [00:36:31]:
Yep. And I was when I mentioned test is testing dish now, I was just talking about traditional lab testing for biomarkers, just to see if things were getting worse. But for in terms of heavy metal testing, it is very tricky because you have to, you really have to understand what you’re looking at. So it’s all the tests are just looking at different things. So the urine is looking at what is coming out of the urine. Right then when you urinated, right? The blood is what’s currently in the blood. The hair is what’s in the hair, but the hair is really more of an average over a few months generally. So it’s a little bit different.

Jeff Hoyt [00:37:04]:
And then the illegal scan is what’s in the tissue of your hand. So they’re all very different. None of the tests are biopsies. So none of the tests are looking at the heavy metal load in your brain, in your kidneys, in your liver, in your organs. So it’s very, very important to understand. And there’s different methods, there’s challenge testing. So like with urine, that’s one of the most common things is urine challenge test. Because if you just do a urine test, you’re you’re measuring what’s excreting, what’s being excreted.

Jeff Hoyt [00:37:31]:
If someone the sicker someone is, the less the less is gonna come out in the urine generally, because the body’s not naturally detoxing as well because it’s more in survival mode. So what they’ll do, what a lot of practitioners will do is have you do a urine test, and then they’ll, like, four hours later, have you do another one, but you’ve done a challenge. So you’ve taken EDTA or a zeolite or some something to stir things up, and then you urinate again, and you send both samples in. And generally, what happens is the challenge test, so the test that was after you took the chelating agent, has a lot higher levels of heavy metals in it. And that’s because your body that chelating agent caused the body to release some of these metals. So that’s one method. But it’s not it’s not I mean, the levels are not giving us any sort of body burden. It’s just how much metals the body released in that moment in that four hours.

Jeff Hoyt [00:38:22]:
So retesting is incredibly difficult, because we’re just not people want the levels to go from high to low. That’s just not how it works with heavy metals, right, really what you want with heavy metals testing is to see movement. So you could do a urine chelation test or just a urine test every week, and you’re gonna get varying levels of the heavy metals every different week, up, down, up, down, up, down. And it’s just what the body is currently dumping. Because the body kind of goes through different phases of detox. So just keep that in mind. I a lot of people I just told don’t even get the testing. Because if it’s gonna throw you off, and then most practitioners don’t understand how to read it either.

Jeff Hoyt [00:38:57]:
So if that’s gonna be a problem, I mean, if if you’re gonna get testing, I say do it at least every month. So you can identify a trend because each test, each lab test is a snapshot. And the more snapshot should get the better storybook. If you just take a test and retest in six months, it’s going to be generally it’s it’s sometimes it’s worthless. Sometimes it can be helpful. It just depends on on the retest kind of what your body was doing at the time. But, they’re just two snapshots. So sometimes, like, even even with chelation, sometimes you do a three month challenge test.

Jeff Hoyt [00:39:33]:
And then the levels are exactly the same at as the beginning. And people think, oh, the detox didn’t do anything. Well, we have no idea if it did or not. It may have. It just may be that that is the exact level of heavy metals that the body releases each time you take the detox agent. Because there’s the body is very intelligent. It’s gonna release whatever it wants at its own pace. So that’s one thing to consider.

Jeff Hoyt [00:39:55]:
The illegal scan is great. That’s what I use because it’s a it’s a tissue analysis. So it’s measuring kind of actually three levels. All the other tests are left measuring level one with the body’s processing. The LiboScan’s measuring level two, the general tissue. So you’re using spectrophotometry shining light into your into your hand and measuring the elements in your hand. So it’s great, but it’s still not indicative of the brain levels or any of that stuff. So what I do is a thirty day challenge test with the illegal scan.

Jeff Hoyt [00:40:23]:
So I’ll do a test, thirty days on zero charge or whatever, retest after thirty days, and then I want the levels to go up. So So if the levels are going up on that test, that means they’re coming out of organs level three, and they’re coming into general tissue. But then what will happen is the levels will go back down, and then they’ll go back up and down and up and down. So they cycle back and forth. So if for people that do the testing, I recommend just doing that every month so you can see the cycling effect. But if you just test and you retest after six months, a lot of times the results look identical. It’s not that the detox wasn’t working. It’s that your body cycles back and forth to these different levels, and it might just have gone back to baseline.

Jeff Hoyt [00:41:00]:
It doesn’t mean you didn’t get a bunch of metals out of your body. So it’s it’s very and I do have a video called detox cycling on the zeolitelabs.com case studies page, which if you’re gonna get testing, I would highly recommend watching that video so you understand kind of what you’re looking for. Because all the time people reach out and they just do either that test or some other test after six months. And they just want me to interpret it. It’s like there’s really not a whole lot. Sometimes you get great results. Sometimes you don’t. So, that’s what I have to say about testing, I guess.

Jeff Hoyt [00:41:29]:
If you’re whatever testing method you’re gonna use, and I’m not against testing. I like all those tests, actually, but I like regular testing. Even hair, I like to do hair testing every month just to see trending. Some people do talks faster than others too, but the more testing, the better. If you’re not gonna be able to afford the testing, put the money towards the protocol. Yeah.

Nick Urban [00:41:47]:
That’s what I was trying to think. It seems like the testing doesn’t yield all that much information, especially because you can’t even see level three at all with any of these methods. Are there any ways of testing level three?

Jeff Hoyt [00:41:58]:
A biopsy, which you I mean, I mean, if you could if you wanted to.

Nick Urban [00:42:02]:
Yeah. But

Jeff Hoyt [00:42:03]:
I mean, that’s why the legal scan on the retest technically, at least with my theories, you can see level three because if the level goes up, then it has to be coming from somewhere. So that’s where I would say it’s coming from organs, but that’s kind of the best we can do. I mean, with the urine and the other testing, it might just be coming from level two into level one. We don’t know if it’s coming from level three or not. So some some people will do urine testing, and then the levels will just go to zero eventually, and they’re not excreting, and they think they’re completely detoxed. Maybe they are, but we still have no idea. Maybe their body just stopped releasing because it was a stressful detox, and now nothing is showing up on the excretion test. So that’s why testing is limited.

Jeff Hoyt [00:42:40]:
There’s bioenergetic testing as well and other things, but there’s there’s just various methods. But so I mean, we all know if you know that you have to detox, then just detox. Right? I mean, the HTMA is unique because that’s a little different. So there’s a lot of great HTMA practitioners out there. That’s the hair tissue mineral analysis. But they’re looking less at the heavy metal levels, and they’re looking more at the ratios, you know, mineral ratios and looking at oxidation rates and things. So they’re giving you supplement protocols based on that. And that’s going to be completely that’s really in a whole nother class of then like traditional heavy metal testing where you just want the levels to go up to down.

Jeff Hoyt [00:43:17]:
So I’d say if you’re gonna do something, probably the HTMA with a qualified practitioner for, like, a mineral balancing program might be worth a shot. But, otherwise, I’d say the illegal scan if you’re gonna do it every month for at least two, three months. Or you could do the other ones. I mean, they’re all good. It’s just you really have to understand the limitations. So I don’t want you to, you know, waste money and think your protocol is not working, give up on a protocol that might be really helping you.

Nick Urban [00:43:40]:
Yeah. Okay. You mentioned the bioenergetic testing as another way to get a proxy of, like, level two. Is there anything else that you could potentially do? Like, any other level two tests?

Jeff Hoyt [00:43:50]:
That that one would be more level one as well, the bioenergetics. Okay. So for example, some people will do the illegal scan, and it’ll show incredibly high levels of mercury. And then they’ll do various, you know, muscle testing or different forms of bioenergetics and get no ratings on mercury. And it’s just because for those individuals, the body is not the mercury is just stuck. Like, the body doesn’t wanna deal with it, Highly stressed out. So the bioenergetics even generally are gonna show false negatives to what’s in your tissue. They’re really more what the body’s processing.

Jeff Hoyt [00:44:18]:
Because bioenergetics and muscle testing is all about priority. That’s the whole point of it. It’s showing what the body is currently prioritizing, what it wants right now. So even those are gonna, a lot of times, give you false negatives. There’s, was it Meliza testing, which is I think it’s named just Meliza, which is, like a sensitivity test for heavy metals. So it’s measuring kind of the immune reactivity to each metal. Because with with toxicants, you gotta look at three things, not just the levels. You wanna look at the immune system’s reaction to those elements and then synergy between them.

Jeff Hoyt [00:44:50]:
So you and I could have the exact same level of mercury. It might be causing way more problems in my mind my body than your body if my immune system is overreactive than normal to it. So everyone’s gonna be reactive to it. But if if I have an autoimmune condition or something, I’m the the mercury might be more of a problem for me. So Meliza is able to test kind of immune sensitivity to various different methods. And then synergy, there’s no I don’t there’s testing for that, but synergy is another interesting thing. So when you have, you know, various heavy metals combined together and be more problematic together than they’re alone, and then we know things like glyphosate can chelate aluminum and transport it, and that can be problematic. So really, when d with detox, you wanna detox as many things as you can.

Jeff Hoyt [00:45:34]:
And as you’re removing certain things, it’s gonna, a lot of times, help mitigate the stress of the other toxic elements by reducing the immune reactions to it or by reducing the synergist the negative synergistic effects of the toxic elements. So you wanna just get as much stuff out as you can, and it generally helps everything.

Nick Urban [00:45:51]:
There’s probably a genetic role to the ability to detoxify as well as sensitivity towards certain, like, heavy metals and other problematic substances.

Jeff Hoyt [00:46:02]:
There’s probably some genetics. I think sometimes it’s a little bit over, overhyped. So some people think that I mean, a lot of times the genes are turned on by the toxicants to begin with. And then you blame the genetics, but really was the toxic elements that caused the gene problems. Exactly, the epigenetics. So, like with zero charts, so a lot of people will reach out and talk about MTHFR and all these other genes, that are inhibiting detox functions. And with zero charts, we really haven’t seen a difference. Like in our case studies program, a number of people had them teach her for issues.

Jeff Hoyt [00:46:35]:
They were all able to detox just as fast as the people that didn’t have it. So and I’m not saying there’s nothing to it. I mean, there but I think sometimes sometimes it’s just removing the toxic like, with zero charges, it’s not really it’s it’s not like a nutrient that like, a vitamin b or something that’s a bioavailable useful nutrient for the body. It’s literally just going in and unclogging things and allowing the body to work better. So it’s just that’s why it’s just so unique. I like it. So it it seems to help. I mean, some people are gonna detox faster than others, whether that’s from genetics or whatever else.

Jeff Hoyt [00:47:13]:
But some people certainly, it’s all up to their body. Their body’s gonna some people’s bodies are gonna let them release maybe 10 times as much mercury as another person because their body’s comfortable that it’s gonna be able to get it out without causing issues. Generally, the healthier someone is, the faster they’re gonna detox. And I would say that the key to it, the number one key to a successful detox is to get as healthy as you can be, which is generally not helpful because people are trying to detox to get healthy. But but I mean, just a healthier person is gonna be detoxing better, and that’s why they’re healthier. The sicker someone gets, the the more their body is prioritizing other things, less focus is put on detox, the more toxic accumulation adds up and it just gets worse. Right? So it’s really it’s just kind of a negative snowball effect. But whatever you can do so whether I mean, that’s why that’s why things that have nothing to do with detox can help your detox.

Jeff Hoyt [00:48:03]:
Right? Just just mental and emotional, you know, health, something like that. That’s just stressing out your body. Reducing that load will help your body detox better because then you have more energy for detox. So everything affects detox. So just getting as healthy as you can, but then direct, some people definitely need the direct detox attention as well. But some people, I mean, like, some people, if you’re going through a terrible divorce and having all these issues, you could be potentially accumulating heavy metals and intoxicants during that time because your body’s putting so much energy towards whatever you’re going through. So it’s it’s all very interesting.

Nick Urban [00:48:37]:
Yeah. That’s exactly what I wanted to go into now with you, Jeff. I wanted to talk about the role of nervous system health and nervous system regulation because you’ve mentioned a bunch of times so far about the importance of that to detoxify successfully. You can’t outpace what your body wants to do. Are there any practices that you see working effectively? Or how would you incorporate some kind of protocol there into your XeoCharge?

Jeff Hoyt [00:49:04]:
Yeah. There there’s a lot of things and that’s why that’s where it kind of becomes sometimes through a personalized approach is because there’s so many things that can negatively affect our nervous system or just our bodies. Is identifying what it is. So I like to say, we’ve got all these stressors. Right? So we have the analogy of like the stress bucket and all this other stuff, but you have all these various stressors and stressors or anything that make your body work harder than normal to stay balanced. So we wanna remove as many of those things from our lives as we can to release the drain on our body. I call them drainers too sometimes. So we wanna remove these drainers from our bodies.

Jeff Hoyt [00:49:38]:
We wanna start with the things that we think are taking up the most energy. So, sometimes they call those like the s x factor. So that could be, like, some of the big ones are gonna be like breast implants for women, sometimes, root canal treated teeth, emotional scars, sometimes the mercury amalgam fillings, that type of thing. Some of the bigger things we want to do with those first because a lot of times people put the big things off, because they want to do with all the little things and then they spend all this money, they take years addressing all these lower level things. But if they don’t address the thing something if something’s taking up a hundred times the energy in your body, then these small things, you wanna address the big thing. Right? So that’s really the challenge, is identifying it. But that’s easier said than done, of course, but all sorts of stuff. So there’s foods.

Jeff Hoyt [00:50:25]:
There’s getting good water, food. There’s the relationships. There’s, you know, environmental, toxicities. You’ve got the energetic toxicities, like emotions. Then you’ve got the EMFs. So all of these things play a role. And, generally, they’re all the microbial issues as well, but they all kind of are working together. So a lot of times you have, for example, like, EMF sensitivity.

Jeff Hoyt [00:50:46]:
I call people that have, like, Lyme disease, mycotoxins, illness, all that. I put them on a spectrum. I call it the four m spectrum, which is metals, mold, mycotoxins, and magnetic fields. So, generally, if someone has one, they have all of them, and they kind of become synergistic. So, like, when you have EMF, if you if you’re in a high EMF environment, I think one of the main issues with the EMF exposure is the negative impact it has on the microbes in our bodies. So we know that EMFs have a negative impact on mold, so they’re gonna cause the mold to release more mycotoxins and stimulate immune response a lot more. Right? So clean heart says, like, 600 times more. But if it’s doing that to the mold, what is what are the MS doing to all of the naturally occurring microbes or not naturally occurring microbes that are in our bodies that are peacefully they are doing their jobs.

Jeff Hoyt [00:51:36]:
Now they’re being irritated constantly by these electromagnetic fields, potentially causing them to either change forms into a pathogenic form or to release various toxins that are stressing on our bodies. Right? So that’s where, that’s where most of the toxicity we’re exposed to does come from within. Right? So, like, with your daily dose of toxins, you’ve got your external sources, food, water, air, etcetera. You’ve got your internal sources, which is, like, the metabolic waste products and the microbial waste products. And for a lot of people, those microbial waste products are the number one source of toxicity because you’ve got these microbes that have potentially grown out of control, which could be from any number of issues. And now they’re releasing their own waste products, which are toxins to you. Right? So sometimes addressing these microbes potentially could be one of the biggest, best things you could do for detox. Because otherwise, a lot of the zeo charge is gonna be used up on binding these metabolic or microbial waste products.

Jeff Hoyt [00:52:28]:
So it’s all very interesting. That’s why there’s a lot of ways to do it. But then the question is, why are those microbes there thriving? What what was the opportunity that allows them to be there? And then the question is, okay. Maybe it’s from the heavy metals or environmental toxins. So sometimes you detox and the microbes go away. Sometimes you remove the microbes and some of the metals start going away. And there’s different debates on which one to prioritize. But a lot of times, if you just kill off the microbes, they’ll come back in three months because the environment has not been changed to allow them to leave type of situation.

Jeff Hoyt [00:52:59]:
So anyway, the EMFs, can be a pretty big issue, but there’s there’s a lot of things. So if you know what needs to be done in your life, then start there. Sometimes people I think some people know they’re just avoiding it because it’s hard, whether that’s the breast implants or whatever it may be. And I’m not saying that’s the issue, but sometimes there’s something that we just know we should do, or we’re in a terrible relationship or whatever it is. Sometimes we know, and then sometimes we don’t know, and we just have to keep trying until we figure it out. But, yeah, just I think movement is key. Just keeping on moving, just making progress, trying to remove, you know, each each week or each month or each year, just trying to remove one more source of toxicity from our lives until we can just lower that total toxic burden and then allow our which will allow our bodies to regain control, and be able to function just at a higher capacity.

Nick Urban [00:53:50]:
Yeah. There’s so many different sources. One I was just thinking of that you mentioned is the environment. If you’re living in a toxic environment that has the synergy between all the things you just mentioned, then even if you’re taking the binders, the chelators, you’re doing all the protocols right. You’re also just, like, reintroducing them constantly. So it’s like you’re not actually moving, making progress towards any one direction. You’re just offsetting the other by being in the same place.

Jeff Hoyt [00:54:18]:
Yeah. It’s tricky, and we’re not gonna be able to avoid all sources of toxicity. That’s the thing. I mean, it’s just so we we can’t try to be perfect and try to live in a perfectly clean environment. So we just have to do our best, but things like the binders can help mitigate that. But then, I mean, some people when they’re having they’re having a lot of symptoms from toxicity, there’s kind of two classifications. One, it’s it’s the deeply stored metals that are causing, like, a lot of the nervous system issues. So maybe mercury that’s been for there for a long time or glyphosate or something that’s kind of a neurotoxin, aluminum, whatever it is, that could be causing more long term kind of, issues.

Jeff Hoyt [00:54:51]:
But then you have the acute symptoms where you’re exposed to mycotoxins, you’re exposed to something in the environment every day that’s resulting in immune, stimulation, which then equals inflammation and symptoms. Right? So there’s two different types of things. The people that feel the so for the people that take Zootart and feel better after three days is generally because it’s helping your body better deal with the current exposure. So it’s reducing the immune. It’s basically alleviating the reducing the the stress on the immune system from the daily dose of the toxicity. When people are trying to heal from the deeper level metals and the more neurological issues and, those things, usually, that takes months. Right? So you’re not gonna feel better generally right away from removing mercury from your brain. Like, you’re either gonna feel nothing or gonna feel worse probably a little bit.

Jeff Hoyt [00:55:44]:
And sometimes I don’t wanna say no one’s ever gonna get a symptom. That’s the other thing. Right? So symptoms you want when you detox, you wanna feel nothing or you wanna feel better. But sometimes you are gonna feel a little worse. It’s just you wanna mitigate those symptoms as much as possible so you don’t have to so you don’t add more stress than you need on your body, which is where dosing is key. I don’t even think we talked about dosing yet.

Nick Urban [00:56:05]:
No. We haven’t. I was about to ask.

Jeff Hoyt [00:56:07]:
Yep. So so with with most detox protocols, you wanna start low and work up because the more you take, the more stress you’re gonna add to the body with with zero charge, at least it’s generally gonna be the opposite. So the more you take the gentler it is, and that’s because it’s it’s and it’s not that I’m recommending very high doses, it’s that everyone else is recommending microdoses, and it’s not supposed to be microdosed. So when you take a microdose of zeolite, which is found in, like, any of the liquid products or nanos or any of that, you’re going in with base with a very, very tiny bit of binding capacity. And you go in and you stir stuff up. Maybe you’re breaking open biofilms. Maybe you’re, you know, you’re just dislodging something, and then there’s this cascade of of detox stress that occurs. All of the the zeolite was used up on just whatever it grabbed onto.

Jeff Hoyt [00:56:56]:
Now the body has to deal with the rest of that stress. So at that point, it’s adding stress to the body. It’s not really acting as a true binder. Let’s say you took a much higher dose of that. So zero charge, for example, some people mix a scoop with water and take one sip, and then look at headaches and symptoms, like, an hour later. But then the next day, they’ll drink the entire glass, and they get no symptoms. So what happens is with the low dose, it goes and stirs things up, makes a mess. The body has to clean up the mess.

Jeff Hoyt [00:57:24]:
But then when they took the higher dose, same thing happens. It goes in, stirs things up, makes a mess, but there’s enough zealight, enough binding capacity to clean up the mess that it made. So then there the net effect is actually a reduction of stress in the body. So it’s not that the symptoms mean that it’s working better. It means that it’s working worse. It’s less efficient of a detox. So that’s when I said earlier that I don’t believe you can detox too fast just too inefficiently. A lot of people when they take a tiny dose of ZeoCharge or a nano or whatever, they think they’re detoxing too fast.

Jeff Hoyt [00:57:55]:
It’s actually that it’s just a very inefficient detox, and the body has to do with this mess. They take more. They’re actually detoxing faster when they take more, and they’re getting no symptoms. So it’s just more of an efficient detox. Now maybe with some of the other with the other methods. Yeah, you can detox too fast. Because the more you take the more it’s going to stress out but that’s why zero charge is so unique because you can take super high doses and actually reduce the stress load on your body and detox faster than pretty much any other method I’ve ever found without the symptoms or with very minimal symptoms. So you’re detoxing faster.

Jeff Hoyt [00:58:28]:
It’s not too fast. It’s just so much more efficient than the other methods.

Nick Urban [00:58:32]:
So then how do you go about actually using this? You use a reasonable dose. You don’t microdose it. And also before we even get onto that, I’ve heard about the liquid nano products. It sounds like those might not be as effective. How do you go about evaluating zeolite supplements in general?

Jeff Hoyt [00:58:50]:
Yep. So basically, number one, characteristic I look for is that it’s in a powdered form. So traditionally, all zeolite was in a powdered form. So zeolite is a mineral mine from the earth. Looks like a big rock, then it’s micronized to smaller particles. Traditionally, it was all a powder. And then companies started seeing the potential and the marketing potential of zeolite, and they started taking that powder and mixing it with water and calling it a liquid or a nano zeolite. Cellular detox, all this stuff is literally the exact same thing.

Jeff Hoyt [00:59:19]:
And there was basically nothing in the bottle. That was for the first like ten years of of liquid zeolites. And they were referring to them. It was just all false marketing. And but now they’re actually are and that’s most of the liquid nano zeolites, so that’s still exactly what they are. But now there actually are true nano zeolites, where there’s a manufacturing process that does nano sizes zeolites and put it in there. So the challenge with those is, and at least I give them credit because at least they are different, and it’s just not false marketing but they’re, they’re so small that they’re not going to be able to trap a lot of the toxic elements we’re trying to detox. And the cage potentially is broken down to the point where there is no cage it’s just like some of them market themselves as, like, zeolite fragments or clean up to like zeolite fragments.

Jeff Hoyt [01:00:04]:
So they’re they’re very likely to cause detox tractions and people like that because they think it’s working, but it’s just often a very inefficient detox.

Nick Urban [01:00:13]:
Based on what you just described, it sounds like that the nano form might be inferior and actually produce symptoms that you wouldn’t have from the normal form.

Jeff Hoyt [01:00:21]:
Potentially. Yep. So the number one issue with with the nano and the liquids is just a dose. So most of them have about three hundred micrograms of zeolite per serving, which is one third of one milligram. So for example, six scoops of ZeoCharge has thirty thousand milligrams, which is exactly one hundred thousand times the dose as these three hundred micrograms heal like. So you can see there’s a challenge there to begin with. That’s number one. It’s just the dosing.

Jeff Hoyt [01:00:50]:
And the number two is just that the particle size, I think, is way too small. So some of these, nanoproducts are, like, two to five nanometers or one to five or whatever they’re claiming, and that’s just ridiculously tiny. A lot of like, most toxic elements are not gonna be able to fit in that zeolite cage if there even is a cage. Right? So some of them are work to this cleanup to the, like, zeolite fragments where they’re not even the full zeolite cage. You’re just kind of fragments of it. So it’s it’s much less of a natural product, honestly. I mean, it’s still considered natural, but I don’t think it’s natural to make a zeolite that tiny, and then to have these fragments. So there’s a number of issues.

Jeff Hoyt [01:01:24]:
All of the research as well is done in is done in powdered zeolite. So a lot of these liquid and nano companies are taking a lot of this great research from the powder and they’re attributing it to their products, but there’s no research on their products, on the liquids nano. So, and they’re using the same the same claims like, oh, it doesn’t disturb mineral balance and all these things. But even if it’s not directly binding to minerals, a lot of times these liquids and nanos are actually disturbing vitamin and mineral status because it’s such an inefficient detox. Because if you go in and you stir stuff up, you make this mess, it can actually add to oxidative stress in the body. It could it could cause the body to use up more of its antioxidative resources like vitamin a, vitamin e, vitamin c, these things. And then it could cause redistribution of the metals disturbing the mineral status. Right? So even though it’s not directly binding to them, it could still mess things up a little bit.

Jeff Hoyt [01:02:13]:
So just in general, I mean, some people have gotten good results with the liquids and nano, so I don’t wanna completely say they’re they’re all terrible. But, I’ve I just don’t see any really reason to utilize them when you have a high quality powder available because when you’re getting a much higher dose and you have something that, the form that has been studied in. And we also did our case studies program. So it was zero Xeolight Labs with Xeol Charge. Really the only company that can back up what we’re claiming. Right? We we’ve shown that it’s able to reduce 15 different heavy metals from the tissue level, utilizing the leucosan. We show that it can actually improve vitamin and mineral status. We showed that it there’s no concerns with aluminum toxicity or any of the other concerns with zeolite products.

Jeff Hoyt [01:02:53]:
So that’s another concern with some of the liquids in Anosys potential for aluminum accumulation in the body, because, one, some of them are synthetic, so they’re not all natural, according to like zeolite products. So that can be very problematic. So there’s just a number of issues. I just generally recommend to stay away from the liquids in Nanos for a number of reasons.

Nick Urban [01:03:13]:
I can see a bunch of times during my day to insert ZeoCharge. I could take it in the morning along with my other minerals. I could take it around meals. I could take it before a workout, before a sauna session, or at night. When makes the most sense to use this product?

Jeff Hoyt [01:03:32]:
Yeah. So good question. It can really be taken any time. It just whenever you take it, you’re gonna be binding to whatever the body’s currently processing. So if you take it before or after a sauna, a lot of times that is a good idea because you’re gonna have more circulating toxicity from the sauna, especially if it’s an infrared sauna, kind of pushing out some of the toxic elements. So it can help mitigate some of the stress of that. If you take it after a workout, it’s gonna help bind to some of the waste products produced from the stress of the workout. After a meal, it’s gonna bind to some of the metabolic waste products from digestion, etcetera.

Jeff Hoyt [01:04:07]:
So it just really depends. A lot of times I tell people to take it when you’re most symptomatic, because that’s a lot of times when you have the most circulating toxicity, just take it then. But, sometimes I tell people just to experiment. I personally like taking it a lot of times at night because that’s when I’m calmest. So when you’re calmer, your central if your central nervous if your nervous system is calmer, you’re in a better position to detox as well, plus your liver kinda goes to work at night as well. So I like to take it in the evening. Sometimes I’ll take it in the morning. I will say if you’re concerned about detox reactions, especially starting off, then I would take it sometime after a meal or in the evening because you’re much more likely to experience a detox reaction if you take it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Jeff Hoyt [01:04:49]:
And that’s because it, has a much stronger antimicrobial effect. So and that’s one thing. It does have a pretty strong anti parasite effect in a lot of people. And it’s not that it’s just directly going in and killing the parasites, but it’s because Mhmm. Probably just because the parasites are starting to leave on their own, or they’re being, you know, they’re attached to metals and the metals are bound, the parasites release that type of thing. So a lot of people will experience nausea and parasite related, sometimes diarrhea, vomiting, those type of symptoms when they take it in the morning, but then they don’t experience those when they take it after a meal. So, if if you’re concerned I mean, if you if you’re trying to add it to a parasite protocol, then take it in the morning. But if you’re trying to do a detox where you’re starting off and not really getting these symptoms, then I’ll take it later in the day after a meal to start with, and then you can experiment with different times.

Jeff Hoyt [01:05:36]:
But it can be taken with a meal, and it’s not gonna bind to any of the essential nutrients in the food. So with in the animal studies, it’s always mixed with food because it’s mixed with the animal feed, and it actually improves the blood levels of the nutrients in the animals.

Nick Urban [01:05:49]:
And it might also help keep levels of things that you wouldn’t want to be high, such as lipopolysaccharides because those are nasty. It might help keep those low if you take it around meal time as well.

Jeff Hoyt [01:06:01]:
Yep. Exactly. So it does it has been shown to bind to lipopolysaccharides, and mycotoxins. So one of the reasons it’s added to the animal feed is to bind to the mycotoxins in the animal feed. So aflatoxins, zoopitoxinase, so it’ll bind to some of the mycotoxins, lipopolysaccharides and things. So, yeah, a lot of people take it around food and it it does help with that.

Nick Urban [01:06:20]:
Yeah. I’ve used activated charcoal quite a bit when I travel because it’s awesome for food poisoning. And when I was in India for multiple months and would have otherwise been debilitated multiple times, activated charcoal really helped, but also, I mean, not that the restaurant food is gonna be very nutrient dense because of the way they process it, they cook it, the temperatures, the oils they use, all that. But with this ZeoCharge and Zeolite disrupt the ability to absorb and assimilate nutrients you’re getting from food?

Jeff Hoyt [01:06:48]:
There’s also metals in the food. It’s gonna be binding to the metals really, and then allowing the minerals to be absorbed better. And just in general, it generally improves nutrient absorption by removing some of the metals from the body that are interfering with the absorption of the nutrients.

Nick Urban [01:07:02]:
Okay. Then back to the sauna example, that would be, like, stirring up the metals in my body, the sauna wood. Would I wanna use it, like, say thirty minutes before or is it better afterward?

Jeff Hoyt [01:07:14]:
Usually, I’d say just right before you go in or thirty minutes before. It’s probably a little better than after just because then you have it in your system. So that is immediately gonna start catching, the toxins that are released opposed to trying to I mean, if you’re not sensitive to the sun at all, it’s probably not a big deal. But if you are, then probably taking it before is better just so you can reduce any stress that might occur.

Nick Urban [01:07:34]:
I haven’t told you this, but I am planning on doing a dry fast by the time this comes out shortly after. And leading into the dry fast, I plan on doing some form of detoxification to help. I have been doing the somnaniacin protocol. I’m curious if you have any thoughts on how far in advance I should start doing this to help mitigate the symptoms because you mentioned earlier that depending on when you feel the worst symptoms of toxicity would be the best time to take this, but I don’t generally feel any symptoms that I’m aware of of, like, toxic overload.

Jeff Hoyt [01:08:06]:
Yeah. So the question is how long in advance to start taking it? Probably the sooner the better. I’d probably just start now. Because and sometimes, right, when you start taking a new detox protocol, you might get symptoms right away, that’ll go away after a couple days. So as you stir things up, and then your body kind of is, figuring out how much it wants to dump from deep storage. Sometimes Sometimes there’s like a couple of day period where things normalize, but probably start now. And then you see how it goes. And that way, you can just cruise right into the dry fast.

Jeff Hoyt [01:08:34]:
How long are you gonna do the dry fast?

Nick Urban [01:08:36]:
First one, probably just three days and then work up to five days at some point. But that’s intense though. I’ve water I’ve water fasted plenty of times and I read a book called The Phoenix Protocol and I’ve researched it quite a bit recently. Wrote an article on it, which I’ll put in the show notes for this episode. And so now I’m excited to actually test it and see how my experience compares and contrasts. I’ve heard it’s quite a challenge.

Jeff Hoyt [01:08:58]:
Yeah. No. It’s I I’ve never dry fasted. That sounds intense. Like, are you talking no shower, nothing?

Nick Urban [01:09:03]:
So there’s the hard dry fast and the soft dry fast. The hard is like no immersion of water in any kind. The soft is the more often recommended one by the Russian researchers who are behind dry fasting. And that’s the one I’m gonna do because it allows you to bathe and, apparently, the water goes through different pathway when you absorb it transdermally versus when you ingest it orally. And so that one, they recommend, and they saw much better results in their clinics when they use the soft dry fasting.

Jeff Hoyt [01:09:31]:
Okay. Nice. It sounds interesting. That’ll be a good experience.

Nick Urban [01:09:34]:
Yeah. Well, I haven’t talked to you about this either. I I think I’m gonna try XeoCharge and I will report back on my experience. Can we set up a code for my audience if so if they wanna try it, they can give it a shot as well?

Jeff Hoyt [01:09:47]:
Absolutely. What what would, what do you want the code to be?

Nick Urban [01:09:50]:
Let’s do urban.

Jeff Hoyt [01:09:52]:
You got it. Urban. That’s the code.

Nick Urban [01:09:54]:
Awesome. So

Jeff Hoyt [01:09:55]:
that’ll be that’ll be 10% off for anyone. Just insert urban at checkout.

Nick Urban [01:09:59]:
Cool. If people wanna connect with you, find and follow your work, how do they go about that?

Jeff Hoyt [01:10:04]:
The the best place is gonna be the website, xeolitelabs.com. There’s a YouTube channel, Rumble channel. There’s an Instagram. I’m I’m not on there very often, but that’s really viewing the social media that there is. So you can follow the Instagram page just in case at some point there’s gonna be more content potentially. But otherwise, yeah, just the just the website, probably the best. There’s a lot of, and there’s an education page with a bunch of videos. There’s a case studies page, lots of resources on the site.

Nick Urban [01:10:27]:
Jeff, if someone wants to explore this topic more, which three teachers would you say have informed your work the most? Detox, health and wellness, nutrition, minerals, whatever you wanna choose.

Jeff Hoyt [01:10:38]:
One of the books I like, Jerry Tennant. He has some very interesting work, Healing His Voltage. So that was just one that it’s just a lot different than everything else. So I really like that one talking about polarity and cellular voltage and all that stuff. I think that’s a good one. He’s a very interesting guy. I like, Klinghardt. I think Klinghardt has a lot of good information out there.

Jeff Hoyt [01:10:59]:
I’ve never read his book. I think it’s in German, but, he’s got a lot of good videos and things. He’s just been doing this for so long. He was just on the forefront of, like, Lyme disease and EMFs and retroviruses and all that stuff. So, like, Jerry Tennant, doctor Klinghardt’s good. I’m trying to think at the end. I I really haven’t been following anyone for, like, years, which is kind of interesting. Like, I don’t really delve into stuff.

Jeff Hoyt [01:11:22]:
I, like, I just discovered podcast last year. Like, I never listened to a podcast before last year. So but now I I just kinda look and look at various podcast. I I mean, I like, I’ve been on the show three times, but I really like Matt Blackburn as well. He’s got some really good information. So he’s kind of it’s a it’s a health Mind of Life Radio. That’s a pretty good podcast, but, I can edit that out if you don’t want me talking about someone else’s podcast. It’s like, yeah.

Jeff Hoyt [01:11:49]:
Okay.

Nick Urban [01:11:49]:
No. No. All good. I know him in his podcast too. So perfect. Well, Jeff, any final parting words of wisdom for our audience today?

Jeff Hoyt [01:11:58]:
Just, just stick with it. I think I mean, I know it’s easy to get frustrated just when it comes to trying to, you know, overcome a chronic health issue, but just keep going at it. I mean, sometimes it’s just one thing that really, really moves the needle for you. So I would just keep just keep going. I think that’s that’s the number one thing I can say. It’s just don’t give up and, something’s gonna work eventually.

Nick Urban [01:12:20]:
Perfect. Well, Jeff, thanks for joining me on the podcast today. It’s been a pleasure hosting you.

Jeff Hoyt [01:12:24]:
Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Nick Urban [01:12:25]:
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